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MP3 Examples of A6 ambient/space music?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hallo,
thanks for the reply.
good to hear, never doubted it, just really wondered HOW you do such a wonderful realistic water sound, so come on put the patch on the net ( shouldn't be soo difficult).
fr. gr. sunny
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I dragged my A6 upstairs, plugged it in and recorded the raw sitar and water sounds (except for reverb) from it and then started turning knobs so you can hear it's just a synth. Go to the link below and you should see an audio icon and you can hear it. There are also 3 videos there of some of my synth sound effects put to video incase you haven't seen them. If for some reason the link below only works for other Twango members or just me, then just type my last name "elhardt" into the search box on Twango and that should find them. This should put an end to the A6 speculation.

http://www.twango.com/media/Elhardt.public/

-Elhardt
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i did, the video's didn't "prove" much ; the audio sounded really convincing as far as i can say , at least for the waters.
sounds like a modulated resonance by noise and env i guess (?), sounds very good as i already mentioned a few times,.
still hope you'll let us look in the kitchen and find time to put the patch on the net.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ha Ha This is the most interesting and amusing thread I've read on the web for a long time! Thanks Elhardt! That's some proof! It is very inspiring to hear the sounds you have come up with, especially the sitar sound and also what these sounds transform into when you tweak the knobs.

I'm going to try to develop a much finer audible connection to my Andy now!
I did not think that it was possible to make such fine sounds.
Put me on the list for your programs too please. I'm on the A6 mailing list as well.

And please contribute a few patches to the forthcoming user-A6-bank "project", an A6 bank made by all the users who wants to contribute a few or more patches. It will probably start in a few weeks. I'll post more about it later.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elhardt wrote:

First of all, all my sounds were done on the synths I say. I don't understand what the purpose would be to claim a different synth than the ones I created them on and this current trend of just deciding to spread false rumors around about my sounds. Even when I have some patches on the net already I still get this. You think it's up to you to decide this? What about the other guy who already vouched for my sounds? The sitar sound and watersounds mentioned in the following post were relatively easy compared to the my MMV acoustic piano for example, and that's available for download if you don't think I can program a synth so sound however I want. So why couldn't I do a sitar sound? When I get a new camera I'm going to be making videos of how I did some of this stuff since I'm getting tired of people lying about all kinds of other sounds too I've also done.

I don't have any of my A6 patches on computer yet, so be patient. I spent months looking around for an A6 sounddiver adaption for an application I hate and doesn't run properly. I'm looking for an alternative. In the mean time it would probably be faster for me just to drag my A6 upstairs, record me playing the sitar (and watersounds) and start turning knobs so you can easily hear it's just an analog synth. I can do that soon, maybe even later today.

This is all pretty ridiculous. I put synth mp3 demos on the net into forums where most people claim they can tell the difference between a real analog and virtual analog synth, or between an A6 and a Voyager, or between a 2040 and 2044 filter, yet they can't tell the difference between an analog synth and a real instrument or sample of one? Where are all those golden ears now? Normally if you were in doubt about something I've done, all you'd need to do is track down anyone of those people, have them listen and they should be able to confirm that these demos have that A6 sound, and whether I'm using the Oberheim or Moog filters, and so forth.

-Elhardt


Hi Elhart, I´m not one of those "golden ears" you mention. To me most analogs sound the same, and in most cases I can make the same sound on two totally different machines. Some day I´ll make a side by side comparison between the A6 and Voyager and most people will be surprized.
The only patch of yours I found was the Arturia Moog Modular one, and I don´t have that software, so I can´t check it (The water sound didn´t impressed me much, btw). Having said that, one patch doesn´t mean that every MP3 you posted is what you say it is. Why? Maybe you´re looking for publicity or something. You mentioned that Arturia wanted your patches... there you have... publicity. Anyway, I don´t want to debate anymore, whenever you have that sitar sound send it to me and I´ll apologize.

The Wendy Carlos-like demos are impressive, and I feel those are real, not fake.

Changing the subject, I want to thank you for posting a Tomita recording and a little book of the "making of" on Ravel´s Daphnis et Chloé. That was very generous on your part. Thank you, thank you, thank you...
BTW, do you have the side two??? It seems to be about "the planets" of Gustav Holst which I love...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Elhardt wrote: "Where are all those golden ears now?"

Still here, yet utterly uninterested in feeding your troll. There are people who you can trust, people who you can't always trust but mean well, and people who will lie if you have beaten them, because they have so much invested in their ego. They are only interested in "winning", in making the other person wrong no matter what. This is all they have to offer, and it colors what they do so severely that it becomes unusable (to me, at least. Invoking Godwin's law, people happily use Volkswagens despite their having been commissioned by Hitler himself.). I remember how you went off on Justin Maxwell when he correctly discerned several faults in your Sage mockup. I don't know if you fall into any of the categories I've mentioned, but you aren't worth the effort anyway.

If this does not make you think of Bush and friends, they consider it. Especially when you buy gas. How does it feel to give money to deceivers and manipulators.

I'm tired of all of these types of people. If it's so important to be perceived as "strong" and obstruct others who have good ideas to offer, especially if you are motivated by ugliness, fear and are threatened by facts, then you are helping to create a dog-eat-dog world. The next time the world bites you, you have only yourselves to blame.

I won't be posting on this subject in this thread again.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What are you talking about?
The man was called a cheater and was just proving his honesty!

Listen to the mp3 he posted a link to. It shows his honesty.

Chill... and peace.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi A6 users, I hope I won't be off topic here Smile

I usually play space / ambient with my A6 : most of the "analog" spacey and bass sounds on www.myspace.com/zenasoundscape are from the Andy

admittedly a few other synths are taking care of pianos, grand-strings ( k2000r ), ws-like voices ( wavestation ) and maybe a few arps ( nova )

anyway I'd be glad to share .mid or .syx if anyone spots some interesting sound Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've done a few space music pieces with the Andromeda,

The piece here called the knew madness is all andromeda, maybe a vocoder involved, but just voice and andromeda if so, hard to remember, they are just fun improvisation.

http://www.myspace.com/solartonescience

the other pieces there have no andromeda.

The track below was a piece I did with a friend saying crazy shit on a mic while I went to town on the Andromeda. His voice has delay on it, but the Andromeda is dry IIRC.



or here if the embedded player doesn't take.

http://www.twango.com/media/elmacaco.public/elmacaco.10001

This track is not space music, but it is all Andromeda, it's something I did when I first got it just to run it throught its paces. All sounds made by me, I don't roll with presets, I haven't even gone through them to be honest, heard a few but I bought it to synthesize.



http://www.twango.com/media/elmacaco.public/elmacaco.10015

Good to Eldhardt and Peake here. Before I bought my A6 I asked ELdhardt for his take on it, the drawbacks and all, because being familiar with his work I know that if anyone will test the limits of any synth it will be him, and his impressions were spot on, I knew what I was getting into warts and all, (Thanks again for that Eldhardt)

I don;t understand why anyone would come at him like that, it just seems silly. Believe him or not, but why should he prove anything to someone so afraid of being decieved that they demand proof of something that basically doesn;t affect their life in any way?

unbunch your panties people!!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elhardt wrote:
This should put an end to the A6 speculation.


Hi. I just wanted to say those were some great recordings. I don't even care how they were made, no need (to me) to prove anything.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

juno6 wrote:
Having said that, one patch doesn´t mean that every MP3 you posted is what you say it is. Why? Maybe you´re looking for publicity or something.


You do realise you are looking a bit silly here as you are giving Elhardt more publicity, right? Anyway, please carry on, based on that posted recording I feel the publicity is well deserved so good job!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
juno6 wrote:
Having said that, one patch doesn´t mean that every MP3 you posted is what you say it is. Why? Maybe you´re looking for publicity or something.


You do realise you are looking a bit silly here as you are giving Elhardt more publicity, right?


No, Elhardt doesn´t need my publicity, he´s got enough bad fame all over the net.

Now do you realise you are looking a bit stupid asking me to stop giving him publicity when you actually want me to carry on?

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juno6 wrote:

No, Elhardt doesn´t need my publicity, he´s got enough bad fame all over the net.


Yes, I heard about that Sage. I thought it was quite funny. I also liked it when Aphex claimed he did all of those Analord with analogue gear and lots and lots of people got their panties in a bunch over those and things like the reversed drum-hits in them. I'd considder it completely hilarious if Elhardt had fed a Sitar sample and a synth one to a interpolation algorithem and had used those to make this great recording. I hope he never gives this patch to anyone and there will be more funny reactions.

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Now do you realise you are looking a bit stupid asking me to stop giving him publicity when you actually want me to carry on?


No, not realy, but maybe it'll come to me later.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
Yes, I heard about that Sage. I thought it was quite funny.


LOL Me too, I thought it was funny even before the joke was out.

Perhaps we can make this a 'no bashing Ken' site.

He obviously has a lot to contribute to the synthesis community in general.

There are other people here at electro-music that post mp3 files without patches, whatever reason they have, it is their business.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

g2ian wrote:
Perhaps we can make this a 'no bashing Ken' site.


Good plan salut

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

g2ian wrote:
Kassen wrote:
Yes, I heard about that Sage. I thought it was quite funny.

There are other people here at electro-music that post mp3 files without patches, whatever reason they have, it is their business.


i have recently put my jupiter8 besides my andromeda and have been able to make a lot of sounds on the a6 exactly like the jp8 . in fact it's so easy to make the a6 sound like a jp8! whenever i touched my beast i got a jp8 sound out of it, so i didn't bother saving the presets as it's so easy to make new sounds all the time.
in fact i would all of you test it for yourself so therefor i've made some mp3's in good quality with the jp8 on one side and the a6 on the other. one side has a click on the beginning so everybody can judge for himself.
also you can hear me tweaking the filterknobs (of the a6) to show it's really the a6 you hear.
as i didn't have a midicable i wasn't able to upload any patches , but for anybody doubting my good intensions i also am willing to sent a picture with the a6 and the jp8 , side to side in my studio.
hope this'll end all discussions about my ability to programm good sounds.
fr.gr.sunny

ps i don't understand the fun in the subject above ,in fact i find it pretty anoying. maybe someone can explain it to me, as i'm probably a bit naive or dumb., thanks beforehand.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elmacaco wrote:


The track below was a piece I did with a friend saying crazy shit on a mic while I went to town on the Andromeda. His voice has delay on it, but the Andromeda is dry IIRC.



Wicked!! (or Awesome as you Americans say!! Laughing )

Now that's what I call Space Music!! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks v-un-v! It was a blast to do. Check out my other stuff on twango & myspace, Not much more space music, but the flavor is there (and the A6)

http://www.myspace.com/elmacaco

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Sunny Pedal, regarding getting the A6 to sound like the JP-8, you say it's easy, do you do anything special with the envelopes? that's the key for me regarding the JP-8, as well as osc ans filter sound, but snap is so key. I'd love it if you discussed any parameter tendencies you use to get this result, beyond the basic limitations of the JP-8 likie single waveforms per osc etc.

as for the other topic of discussion, anyone who considers being known by some people on the internet as being famous is vastly overestimating the importance of the time they spend online.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elmacaco wrote:

Sunny Pedal, regarding getting the A6 to sound like the JP-8, you say it's easy, do you do anything special with the envelopes? that's the key for me regarding the JP-8, as well as osc ans filter sound, but snap is so key. I'd love it if you discussed any parameter tendencies you use to get this result, beyond the basic limitations of the JP-8 likie single waveforms per osc etc.


That was sunny trying to be ironic.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ah yeas, thanks Juno6, I missed that entirely Embarassed

One might ask Eldhardt politely to try to match his A6 to his Jupiter 8. If anyone can do it he can, but he mainly goes for other sounds and not emulating other synths.

I think the envelopes on the Andromeda are a bit too complex, or rather, the time range on the knobs is too wide and therefore a bit too coarse, the range you usually use being the first quarter or half of the knob throw. the complexity is good, but I wish there was a way to make the knobs have less range in the envelope section.

This is what throws most people with this synth IMO, is envelopes are usually simple affairs and not too much thought is needed to get it to the sweet spot, the andromeda takes away this immediacy but gives flexibility. Maybe I should try the other modes and see if something there makes it a bit quicker to dial in what is needed.

Anyhow, i think envelope is key to getting a lot of the sound of other synths.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

juno6 wrote:

It´s funny, who could believe that sitar sound is an analogue synth?
This Elhardt is a very known cheater, he did the "Bahn Sage" synth, among other things... like that JP-6 guitar patch playing "Hotel California".
Very funny, he never post the patches, only MP3s... I want that A6 sitar patch, proof me wrong!
Otherwise, don´t waste people´s time Elhardt.


Yikes, I didn't notice this until now. I've been off and away from my computer.

This kind of statement is not acceptable on electro-music.com. It is clearly disrespectful and defamatory. If you don't believe Elhardt's posts, then please take a minute to express yourself in a respectful manner, or, maybe better yet, just keep quite.

As for the Sage gag, I also think it was quite funny. I once did a fake synth story too, see: http://electro-music.com/article.php?t=1770 Unfortunately, my gag didn't generate as much infamy.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
juno6 wrote:

It´s funny, who could believe that sitar sound is an analogue synth?
This Elhardt is a very known cheater, he did the "Bahn Sage" synth, among other things... like that JP-6 guitar patch playing "Hotel California".
Very funny, he never post the patches, only MP3s... I want that A6 sitar patch, proof me wrong!
Otherwise, don´t waste people´s time Elhardt.


Yikes, I didn't notice this until now. I've been off and away from my computer.

This kind of statement is not acceptable on electro-music.com. It is clearly disrespectful and defamatory. If you don't believe Elhardt's posts, then please take a minute to express yourself in a respectful manner, or, maybe better yet, just keep quite.

As for the Sage gag, I also think it was quite funny. I once did a fake synth story too, see: http://electro-music.com/article.php?t=1770 Unfortunately, my gag didn't generate as much infamy.


Hi Mosc,

I understood your message. You won´t see me on this forum anymore. But before that I want you to know that I consider myself an honest person, and as such I feel rejection for people who is not. If any of you make some research, you´ll find that that Sege lie was only the tip of the iceberg. He had heated discussions with Mike Peake (even here!) and Michael Caloroso, two of the most respected "personalities" on the A6 community (imho).
This is what Kevin Lightner (probably the world´s most important synth tech) said to him:

"Ken, you didn't even spell my name correctly, you're well known for hoaxes and trolls and have ZERO experience with Moog modulars.
Absolutely ZERO.

This helps no one.

You've tried your trolls on AH, Sonic State, Matrixsynth and now here.

Can't you find a life somewhere where someone will appreciate you?
Maybe a girlfriend or a dog would help."


I just wanted to prevent you from this man. If you think I´ve been disrespectful, then I think he also was when he posted this:

http://home.att.net/~synth6/MOTM_A6_Indian.mp3

I´ve been trying to help on this forum whenever I could, as you can see on various topics. I even had a plan to make an A6 website, with all kind of tips and discoveries I´ve made on the A6. I´ve been taking note of every aspect of this synth, measuring, comparing, etc. I was going to write about things like tracking generator, tutorials, etc. Very useful stuff, really.
But ironic messages like the one from Sunny Pedaal are not very motivating. If I have to spend time only to prove my honesty, then it doesn´t have any sense to me. That A6 vs System 100M I did was made with the simplest possible patches. Who wants a patch of a self osc filter modulated by an envelope? Or one osc thru a LPF? Anyone can reproduce those sounds in less than a minute with their A6 or 100M. Come on, it´s not a sitar sound! Why don´t you thank for what it has been given, instead of complain?
Anyway, I´m sorry for all this trouble and I hope you keep enjoying those beautiful processed samples that Ken post here and everywhere else. Bye.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks for your efforts of enhancing this forumsite and the knowledge of the a6 in general.
about the critism: 1 i guess it's not the info about "cheating" people( which is welcome) it's the package/ choosing of words that disturbs the message and in this case the moderator too.
2 i asked for a patch to try it out myself. in fact i asked it directly via a p.b and got an answer!(rectification): saying you didn't save the patches as it's too easy to make them, so why save them. that ,to me, put it (maybe wrong of me, but it also expresses how high this silly discussion already went) unfortunately in the same category of to be able to make emulations but not giving other people the opportunity to check it out. really annoyed me ,sorry that made me ,a bit too ?, ironical indeed.
for me i find it a pity you take critics on the package so heavy that you have to take that decision, pity, like your input.
on the other hand for me no reactions will be made anymore to people sending sounds but unwilling to also , when asked , show how they did it and letting people share in it,
this discussion simply takes too much effort, and attention to my opinion.
points made , statement placed, don't want to offend peoples personalities, so let's not blow it up too much, it's not worth it, at least that's what i think.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Personally, I agree with both sides. I don't save a patch unless it will take much time to recreate, simple concepts communicated should be enough to get people in the ball park.

I also am not so big on sharing patches, and I respect people wanting to share or not share their work. As for believing them, sure it's up to each person, but if I spent hours getting the perfect sitar sound I wouldn't be dropping the sysex on the net, but that's me.

I actually prefer if people discuss patches conceptually and then those that are interested can recreate them on their synthesizer, rather than load up the patch and then deconstruct or just use it etc.

For those kinds of tips CoolColJ's thread on TGS goes into many neat tricks for getting subtle and drastic character variations from the a6.

Otherwise, if you want patches posted, post patches, maybe it'll catch on.

As for Ken, it's like wwith anybody, if it's a discussion and he's being civil, then it's polite to return the favor. if people want to bring up old grudges then it's on them if the unpleasantness begins on their court.

It's so weird how the A6 is so deep yet there is so little discussion on the multiple groups, it's be sad to get into petty squabbles when it's still just a small crew.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think everyone should chill out. Life's too short for cribbing about whether someone's synth patches are authentic or not.

Personally from the last Sitar link that was posted I believe it was the real deal. But that's just me. As elmacaco said above the A6 community is too small to have this amount of petty bickering. Also throwing around insults and general disrespect will only be repaid in kind.

I'm new around these parts and I'm bemused by the back and forth that's going on. I have learned stuff from everyone who has posted in this thread so it would be a shame if this forum descended into a typical internet flame war.

My .02 cents.

Peace
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