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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Will it really encourage women to take part in this forum to read academic musings about the role of women in society?


I guess for those of us doing the musings it feels more like a struggle to understand and that for whatever reasons understanding is important to us. Perhaps we could start two new groups, one for women-twits in EM and another for man-twits in EM.

Oh! sorry--didn't sleep well last night must have upset my hormone balance, or maybe my meds are getting out of titration again Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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When the forum for women opened, I started a post just like yours Kas. "Where's the male forum?"...presumably to discuss the difficulties of being a man in electro-music, the lack of happy hours specifically for men, and other reasons why no one opens the door or holds an umbrella for me and other Y-chromosome carriers.


He he he. I personally don't feel the need for a real "men's forum", that post was mostly meant provocatively. I was quite happy with Dewdrop_wrold's reply that the root section here is the "men's forum". To me the need for a seperate section on women in a forum dedicated to technology and art indicates something is amis, especailly as some of the most talented artists and scientists I know are girls. Nescivi in particular is rapidly progressing towards a doctorate in a sub-field of DSP (and is a girl as well as a member here).



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But, as I see more women in more powerful positions, I invariable end up asking myself: is the feminist movement about equal opportunity, equal power, or equal revenge? Power corrupts. Simply because traditional social status has had this power in men, doesn't mean (in my mind) that testosterone is to blame. I think it's got a bit more to do with expectations and responsibility (and their counterparts).


Yes, that definately holds true for some sides to the feminist movement from my perspective as well. What I'm very happy about is that right now amongst my own generation I'm seeing a sort of "post feminist" aditude arising amongst young women who can't identify with that aditude at all and for that reason refuse to identify as "feminist" while feeling it's self-evident that they should have equal oportunities, even while admitting men and women aren't the same.

I find that aditude very pleasant and it's basically the same that I have. To me feminism is a typical phases in int "thesis, antithesis, synthesis" process you see so often in history.

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Anyway, I'm also not "offended" that a women's sub-forum exists. Equal opportunity means allowing others to choose things I wouldn't.

Back to the music Smile Smile


Agreed, though I am slightly "disturbed" by there being a preceived need for it. It indicates something is wrong.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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1. while i desire in no way to minimize the trauma of men who are abused by women, we do live in a society which considers women the property of men and not the other way around. this is not just my opinion; this is legal history in most countries of the world. in many states marital rape still doesn't legally exist, since it's just a man "using" his "property". theoretically this could lead to more rape of men by their wives, but because of a number of factors, both physiological and sociological, this isn't the case.


"martial rape" isn't gender speciffic; it might refer to women raping men. What I find more disturbing is that female-male rape doesn't exist in many jurisdictions. Personally I find that very offensive.

I'd like to see some sources that find "this isn't the case" because I do think this does happen and is extremely traumatising, especially when it leads to childeren. Since children grow inside of the woman, and not the man, in the case of female-male rape the man is unable to stop the child being born (at least legally). As a man who doesn't want childeren this is one of my largest fears, if not the largest.

While I agree that hystorically and at present time in some non-Western civilisations women have been treated as property I don't think this is still the case in the present day West. For one thing the phrase "my man" seems quite popular as sung by female singers in popmusic, for another when I look at women and men's magazines it seems to me that modern man have a longing towards women while women are more concerned with controll towards men. Of cource that comes from a rather informal analysis of magazines that cater to the lowest common denominator and only for the Netherlands, it might well be different in the US.


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2. hormones can cause an increase or decrease in aggressive behaviors but i'd like to point out that these are not limited to sex-related hormones, that women also have testosterone albeit in lower levels than men do, and that what is considered "aggressive" is very subjective within societies.


Testerone in women is a sex-related hormone as well.

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3. the electro-music forums are obviously not designed with the conscious goal of catering to a specifically male audience. however, they have developed to serve a male-centric audience,


If that's true I'm leaving. Fortunately I don't think it's true. i think they instead have developed to be *used by* a mostly male audience which is something entirely different. I can't find anything here that's "catering to" my needs where my speciffic gender is concerned.


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and it is telling that of the 10 or so women i personally encountered at electro-music 2007, several were there to serve the beer. this forum is very important because not having it would make the statement to women that the electro-music.com community doesn't care one whit whether women actually participate or whether they just serve the beer in this world of ours. not very encouraging to female musicians wanting to be a part of the group.


I don't see how serving beer and "participating" are mutually exclusive. I haven't been to this event but at all gatherings where multiple EM members were present that I saw the serving of beer as well as the cooking was always done by men. this wasn't always out of nescesity (because sometimes there are now women); some men simply like to cook such as myself and Rob. I considder cooking to be about timing and mixing as well as composition so I considder it natural for synthesis enthousiasts to also cook on a hobyist level. In my own relationship (which is with a girl) I cook over 80% of the time and serve nearly all drinks. From what I gather from conversations with other synthesis enthousists that's not at all unusual; most that I met enjoy cooking and place considerable importance on it, one striking example is John Cage who wrote perhaps as much about cooking as he did about electronic sound, many of his texts considder both and their relation.

Might it be possible that this EM event was a statistical fluke caused by using profesional catering?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Will it really encourage women to take part in this forum to read academic musings about the role of women in society?


I don't think any of this is "accdemic", I think all of it is of imediate and practical relevance, at least to me it is. For one thing I'm in a male-female relationship with another musician, for another a few days ago I started a band with a girl. Not "accedemic" at all. Besides, Right now I think more girls then boys finish accedemic educations, at least in Europe.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
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Will it really encourage women to take part in this forum to read academic musings about the role of women in society?


I don't think any of this is "accdemic", I think all of it is of imediate and practical relevance, at least to me it is. For one thing I'm in a male-female relationship with another musician, for another a few days ago I started a band with a girl. Not "accedemic" at all. Besides, Right now I think more girls then boys finish accedemic educations, at least in Europe.


Hmm... My point was more to do with the question of whether people (particularly women!) had considered what it is or was that motivates (motivated) and inspires (inspired) them musically. I am pretty sure that the effects of the ingestion of testosterone on the auditory perceptions of lab rats was not what drew me in. I make no claims to understanding women, but I can't imagine that they are *so* different in this respect.

Rather than analysing perspiration I was hoping that there might be a few women here who might share an analysis of their inspiration. Less gender angst and more understanding of common ground; or if it be the case, completely different ground.

I've probably worked with (and for) more women in music than I have men, but I can't remember ever having to sit in a circle, do deep breathing and search for my inner woman. Maybe I'm just a musical dinosaur!
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Wow, everyone's made some heavy points. Thanks guys (gender neutral).

This still bugs me though, and I know several people have mentioned it, and I know there's probably no easy/correct answer. To me, it's the crux of the forum:

Assuming there is an equal ratio of men and women in the world (and I think there is, approximately) why is the male to female ratio so disproportionate at events like Electro PA?

Through my completely unscientific observation, women are underrepresented and underrated in most music genres. Metal and hardcore especially, but I guess that's another forum.

Perhaps this topic doesn't need to be completely segregated into its own forum and rather integrated into one thread with the rest of the forum. However, it seems there's a lot to say about it and it's a pretty complex issue.



And yes, maybe women in higher executive positions do become a little more insane than their male counterparts. But perhaps instead of "power", the constant need to prove one's self as an effective leader breaking longstanding stereotypes corrupts.

Just throwing that into the mish mash of abstraction. (that was a ridiculous sentence, sorry)
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"Less gender angst and more understanding of common ground; or if it be the case, completely different ground."

Sure, let's start more threads about it. I thought gender (in)equality seemed like a pretty crucial starting issue since this subforum is curiously called "Women in electro-music".
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I don't see how serving beer and "participating" are mutually exclusive. I haven't been to this event but at all gatherings where multiple EM members were present that I saw the serving of beer as well as the cooking was always done by men. this wasn't always out of nescesity (because sometimes there are now women); some men simply like to cook such as myself and Rob. I considder cooking to be about timing and mixing as well as composition so I considder it natural for synthesis enthousiasts to also cook on a hobyist level. In my own relationship (which is with a girl) I cook over 80% of the time and serve nearly all drinks. From what I gather from conversations with other synthesis enthousists that's not at all unusual; most that I met enjoy cooking and place considerable importance on it, one striking example is John Cage who wrote perhaps as much about cooking as he did about electronic sound, many of his texts considder both and their relation.

Might it be possible that this EM event was a statistical fluke caused by using profesional catering?


i'm talking specifically about howard's wife and daughter, as well as a few of said daughter's friends. i find them both lovely and liked talking to them, but if they are musicians or have any other sort of hobby or passion i never found out about it because they didn't seem to be there to do anything that would in any way showcase any artistic talents they may have. not their gourmet cooking talents either.

i'm not saying women should never serve beer or cook or whatever. just pointing out that this strange phenomenon exists, and that even if it doesn't indicate a pre-existing gender disparity (which i believe it does), it creates one by giving women (like me and berae for example) the impression that women's beer-serving skills are considered more important than their musical participation. (not saying anyone thinks this with their rational mind, but this could be an unconscious tendency because of social acceptance of women's subservient role for so long.)

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i'm talking specifically about howard's wife and daughter, as well as a few of said daughter's friends. i find them both lovely and liked talking to them, but if they are musicians or have any other sort of hobby or passion i never found out about it because they didn't seem to be there to do anything that would in any way showcase any artistic talents they may have. not their gourmet cooking talents either.


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Amsterdam Thief!


off topic. anyway if she comes here i'll change. eitherway, i'm gonna zap you with my mod powers next time we hang out, so be on guard!
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Get your own avatar and I'll let your grotesquely nerdy "mod powers" comment slide.
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i'm talking specifically about howard's wife and daughter, as well as a few of said daughter's friends. i find them both lovely and liked talking to them, but if they are musicians or have any other sort of hobby or passion i never found out about it because they didn't seem to be there to do anything that would in any way showcase any artistic talents they may have. not their gourmet cooking talents either.

i'm not saying women should never serve beer or cook or whatever. just pointing out that this strange phenomenon exists, and that even if it doesn't indicate a pre-existing gender disparity (which i believe it does), it creates one by giving women (like me and berae for example) the impression that women's beer-serving skills are considered more important than their musical participation. (not saying anyone thinks this with their rational mind, but this could be an unconscious tendency because of social acceptance of women's subservient role for so long.)


Yes, I see what you mean. I never met Howard's wife but I believe it was her whom I heard play the guitar over a web-cast.

Still, I know Howard a bit and I know for sure that if his wife were to organise a event of that scale at a limited budget (perhaps about guitar playing?) *he* would be serving. Suppose you only met me at my GF's last birthday you might've gotten the impression that I had no interests of my own either and was primarily concerened with cooking and pouring wine (that's what I did, cooking two pans as there was one vegitarian on short notice). Of cource that's nonsense, that was just for one evening because my partner organised a party and we find it a important part of our relationship to support eachother. When I'm hacking she'll make me coffee.

Equality means that at times you'll also end up getting into roles that match those of centuries ago, I see no problem with that at all. Had howard been in a homosexual relationship with one adopted son it might've been his husband and son serving beers... Ok, that's quite a bit of speculation but I didn't find traditional gender roles affected the gatherings of EM members that I've seen for myself to any signifficant degree and I wouldn't call Howard sexist or all that traditional.

Of cource there is some theoretical chance that H's wife (whom I mentioned I never met) might be sexist herself; I've seen and met some terribly sexist women and girls who severly let themselves be limited by rather outdated traditions.... Even to the point of explaing "we girls aren't that technical" while atending a technical university(!!!!). Girls suffering from that might never sign up and never have the chance to have that silly idea removed from their heads. That's sad but not something for which EM as a site can be blamed.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Amsterdam Thief!


That sounds like a lovely concept. Please take Amsterdam away from the us and kindly place it somewhere where it doesn't bother the poor Dutch.

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Amsterdam Thief!


That sounds like a lovely concept. Please take Amsterdam away from the us and kindly place it somewhere where it doesn't bother the poor Dutch.


You guys missed out on a great deal years ago. You could have sold it to that guy with that white glove ( who would have relocated it to Neverland ). Shame on you.

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Hmm.. he would have relocated the city, not the glove.. or.. Shocked

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interesting to see who is discussing about
"gender eqality in electro". Cool

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interesting to see who is discussing about
"gender eqality in electro". Cool


At least some of us have been sensitized to the issue by our wives and SOs. The Mrs. was the first (mathematical) engineer in her company's district in which she worked and I house husband' during one period of her carrier. I've always done the cooking, grocery shopping and floor scrubbing. And I find the urge to kick MCPs in the ass is hard to resist. (must be my testosterone)

It is disappointing that so few women have commented. But that may simply reflect the demographics of the forum.

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It is disappointing that so few women have commented. But that may simply reflect the demographics of the forum.


maybe the women in the forum prefer to use their gear insted of
talking about it.
might also be that the women in the forum fear not to be able
to discuss the topic (electro-music) when "outed" as women.
(of course I am absolutly sure that this could not happen here
in EM, but the fear ... you never know....)

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(must be my testosterone).


Actually I'm old enough that the testosterone is clearly on the decline. I'm just getting cranky and irascible in my old age and tired of the same old shit over and over, and even getting worse. Partly I blame women for this. They have the vote and have used it with stunning stupidity and self destructiveness of late.

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This is an interesting topic and I'm glad to hear the comments about the disparity of women in electro-music.com and at the electro-music events.

I acknowledge this disparity and I think it diminishes the community. I'm not threatened by this nor do I feel particularly attacked or guilty. electro-music.com is a small facet on the jewel of human culture. We rarely get to choose what we inherit.

When Beth suggested this "women's" forum I was very happy because I hoped it would be one way to address the issue and maybe it would be a step towards making women feel more welcome in this community and more interested in electronic music in general.

On the positive side, I think we are making a little progress. Every year we have more women participating in the electro-music festivals. Now we have this forum dedicated to women.

If someone sincerely wanted a "Gays in electro-music", or an "Arabs in electro-music" forum, that would be OK with me too. I would hope the focus would be to bring people together based on our love of the music and art.

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i'm talking specifically about howard's wife and daughter, as well as a few of said daughter's friends. i find them both lovely and liked talking to them, but if they are musicians or have any other sort of hobby or passion i never found out about it because they didn't seem to be there to do anything that would in any way showcase any artistic talents they may have. not their gourmet cooking talents either.


well, i've never heard julie (howards wife) play, but by all accounts she is a talented guitarist, and is employed as a music teacher. genevieve is a talented oberlin trained flutist. their respective roles at em (i think) are more due to the fact that they are howards familly, not that they are women. there is money, liability, and trust involved.....it would be imposible to do the registration job with a group of random volunteers (there are always too many hiccups)....it was important to have genevieve and her friends to cover this end of things from start to finish...no way would we have gotten any one volunteer to take all that responsibility (she flew in from califonia specifically for em). if someone underage gets sold and served a beer and crashes his/her car, it's howards ass (and assets) on the line. there were all kinds of problems with registration and meals, and volunteers with a written set of instructions would not have worked out.

agnes did a good ammount of the streaming duty, this year and last. the only person bringing "treats" last year (dave peck...stroopwaffles) was a man. howard cooked boiled peanuts the last 2 years. it's also worth noting that howard did much less playing than organizing (and financing), and spent much of his time monitoring the stream. michael and jem (and i believe ian, who works at the center) did most of the "cleanup" that i saw..picking up trash, emptying barrells, etc.

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if it doesn't indicate a pre-existing gender disparity (which i believe it does), it creates one by giving women (like me and berae for example) the impression that women's beer-serving skills are considered more important than their musical participation.


well, beer is always popular, no matter who is serving it. of course when the kegs needed to be brought in (and brought out for return), the plea for volunteers didn't attract any women. there were lots of things to be done, before, durring and after the event. some of them required heavy lugging, some didn't. in the gallery, we had 2 women presenters, and several women performers (including you)....none of which fell "below the bar" as far as quality goes.

i myself (in addition to running sound for 1/2 of the performances) carried empty and full kegs, showed up the day before to help setup, brought gear for other people to use not under my supervision, helped troubleshoot microphones and subwoofer problems in the room i was not in charge of, moved chairs and tables _after breaking down on sunday night_ in order to help get the art center ready for monday morning, shared food and coffee (which ramona and i both made onsite) with people who's paid for meals were eaten by people that didn't pay. ..in doing all of this, i didn't get a chance to hear much of the performances i wanted to, didn't get a chance to participate in the jam sessions, and i worked like a dog for 3 days....while paying for my tickets. i'm not complaining...i had a blast...but there is plenty to do, all it takes is some initiative.

i don't know what you percieve the barrier to women being involved is, but i think it's largely self imposed.

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For the record, Genevieve did play a set with Deknow at electro-music 2006. Unfortunately, I didn't get to hear it - it is said to have been excellent.

And, yes, Juli is a fab guitarist, but she's not into electronics all that much - compared to acoustic. She does play a mean ring modulated guitar and the Theremin though.

When it comes to musical skills, I'm certainly the weakest in our family. Smile

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aren't we all Smile fortunately, with enough _long_ wires we can overcome our "shortcomings". (this is reading like spam from my junk folder)

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I want to thank those of you who have stood for Gen and I as musicians.
Yes, we are. I may play next year, it will depend on whether or not I get the time to rehearse. As I teach instrumental music in the public schools, it is concert season right before the fest, and I am very busy.

And yes, it really does take family to do what we do as it is our financial risk to present the festival. We can't afford to provide for many volunteers...so we don't have many.

This coming year I hope we'll have a roster where people can sign up to help out. And I hope that we'll have a "pot luck" sign up and table there for people to bring food to share. Men and women will undoubtedly be doing the cooking.....

I echo Howard in saying that we had more women participants this year, and that we hope for more next year. The great publicity by Kip Rosser made a fantastic difference.

I look forward to serving you beer and food next year and talking to you all in person about the male/female issues in music (in general, not just EM)

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