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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: Anything but sexist/feminist topics
Subject description: Is this unavoidable when discussing women in electro-music?
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style: is there a trend in how women in electro dress distinct from men? Examples: androgyny, eccentric/froufy, sexual (e.g. Peaches).


female electronic musician's own line of clothing:

http://fashion.ellenallien.de/Con_2.php

they look comfy and minimalist. perfect for the EM events in PA, with no air conditioning!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh no. Women talking about fashion!

I'm still excited to talk about this though. Some may consider it cliche, a sideline to "pure music" or something, but I still think it can be an important part of a performance. At EM example, Velva -- their costumes added a really fun, distinctive element and made them seem like professional performers.

Anyway, I want to add some images of costumes of women electro performers here for...analysis? No, not analysis. Just to take note of them (with or without commentary) in the context of women's issues in electro/larger society.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

the perennial laurie anderson doing the quasi-androgynous woman-in-a-suit thing. from the video for "O Superman".

perhaps it was a product of menswear, comme des garcons era stuff (a "high fashion" brand meaning "like the boys") , but it is still an important element of the video conveying a message.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OT
my wife has this outfit on her list for her birthday:
http://www.glidecam.com/product-smooth-shooter.php

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Okay, this is actually from the "Look Around You" series, Music 2000 episode ("Music we'll be listening to in the future").

I don't know if she is/was a regular music performer or artist, but I think it's still a funny/sad commentary. (The lyrics are all breathy "Yessss...yesss!...Noooo....noooooooo...", and the (hilarious) costume change (performance costume attached)

(Watch the clip here)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Toni Baxter's "before", as a theoretical physicist from the McBritish Institute (?)


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The sartorially infamous Bjork performing Oceania. Sure, she's a vocalist, but she must have other talent with studio equipment too. However, I don't think I've ever seen her touch any equipment in a performance or a video. She also seems to use her body as a major part of her art.

I'm not judging that as wrong or invaluable, but do a lot of male vocalists and musicians draw attention to their bodies evoking sexuality like this? Honest question, not just rhetorical. It is another one of my handwavy impressions that men in music are less directly part of their art and shown more as masters of equipment..

You can't quite see in this photo, but her dress is part of a larger stage set, obviously invoking the oceanic theme. Very beautiful..but also seems exceptionally constricting.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i like laurie anderson's shiny dress in "home of the brave" that she wears with white tennis shoes to tell the "yes. a snake with legs." story.

but nothing beats that drum trigger suit with playable keyboard tie. the drum trigger from snapping her mouth shut is awesome. and the lights on her hands/mouth.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I thought whatever this hopefully semi-transparent masky thing is would be fun to perform in (but minus the pleather mini and shitkickin' boots)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not actually sure if this is a woman, but it's an image from the Cleveland Ingenuity Fest.

Reminds me of school clothes shopping with my mom. She would invariably ask "Where would you wear it?" when I would pick out something sort of ridiculous, and I would reply "EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME!" and she'd usually let me get it if I seriously wanted it (Thanks, Mom!)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bernat wrote:
I thought whatever this hopefully semi-transparent masky thing is would be fun to perform in (but minus the pleather mini and shitkickin' boots)

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the creepy masks that laurie anderson wears while speaking in the modulated voice in home of the brave are pretty awesome too.

also her dedication to that hairdo is impressive. she's had it since like the 70s or something.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
OT
my wife has this outfit on her list for her birthday:
http://www.glidecam.com/product-smooth-shooter.php

Shocked


That's pretty sweet. You can never go wrong with robotic (?) arms. Hopefully they will make their way into business casual someday..

What sort of film stuff does she do?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
OT
my wife has this outfit on her list for her birthday:
http://www.glidecam.com/product-smooth-shooter.php

Shocked


hopefully she'll have a more intelligent expression while wearing it than that model does.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

peaches and peaches!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bernat wrote:
I'm not judging that as wrong or invaluable, but do a lot of male vocalists and musicians draw attention to their bodies evoking sexuality like this? Honest question, not just rhetorical. It is another one of my handwavy impressions that men in music are less directly part of their art and shown more as masters of equipment..


You obviously didn't grow up on the hair bands of the '80s. I think things got so out of control in that scene (ala Spinal Tap's aluminum foil cucumber in the pants), that the relative "calm, cool, collected" look of the last decade is still in reaction to those days. If you haven't seen the movie Spinal Tap, it's actually a good time capsule of the scene in general. Unfortunate as that is.

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I think many of the urban genres still intend to evoke sexuality, not for commercial purpose, but more for the actual sex (at least in my current western us location). And pop music always intends to be sexy, though it falls really short.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
You obviously didn't grow up on the hair bands of the '80s. I think things got so out of control in that scene (ala Spinal Tap's aluminum foil cucumber in the pants), that the relative "calm, cool, collected" look of the last decade is still in reaction to those days. If you haven't seen the movie Spinal Tap, it's actually a good time capsule of the scene in general. Unfortunate as that is.


True, I missed most of the 80s all busy not being conceived and learning to eat and walk. I did see the documentary "The Decline of Western Civilization", which is another good film on 80s/90s hair bands. Another imbalanced male/female musician scene. As I recall, it actually touches on that, interviews with astoundingly promiscuous groupies and stuff, interviews with bands on why they prefer "skanky" women ... fun.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
bernat wrote:
I'm not judging that as wrong or invaluable, but do a lot of male vocalists and musicians draw attention to their bodies evoking sexuality like this? Honest question, not just rhetorical. It is another one of my handwavy impressions that men in music are less directly part of their art and shown more as masters of equipment..


You obviously didn't grow up on the hair bands of the '80s. I think things got so out of control in that scene (ala Spinal Tap's aluminum foil cucumber in the pants), that the relative "calm, cool, collected" look of the last decade is still in reaction to those days. If you haven't seen the movie Spinal Tap, it's actually a good time capsule of the scene in general. Unfortunate as that is.

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I think many of the urban genres still intend to evoke sexuality, not for commercial purpose, but more for the actual sex (at least in my current western us location). And pop music always intends to be sexy, though it falls really short.


I'm thinking Elvis Presley and Brett Anderson of Suede. Still, when it comes to electro and music that matters to me, it's hard to find male equivalents of Björk and Peaches. Maybe Prince?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Antimon wrote:
Still, when it comes to electro and music that matters to me, it's hard to find male equivalents of Björk and Peaches. Maybe Prince?

/Stefan


Fun Fact -- my parents named me after a Prince song.

(It's hard to find a male equivalent of Prince.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not "Darling Nikki," would it be?

She and her magazine raised a few eyebrows when I was coming of age in the 80's...

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dewdrop_world wrote:
Not "Darling Nikki," would it be?

She and her magazine raised a few eyebrows when I was coming of age in the 80's...

James


No, it's sort of worse because they misheard the song and dug their misinterpretation. It's "Berae" (the kind that you find in a second hand store). I'd really like to change it someday to something normal. No one can spell it and I've gotten a few ::roll eyes:: ...


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

actually, i'd kind of like to cover that song some day.

not precisely, actually very edited and distorted.
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Kate Wax in Barbie's DreamStudio?
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Dorit Chrysler, Thereminist.

Black leather(?) kid gloves, sequins, and a theremin.

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Dorit and Dorit

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

[quote="bernat"]Dorit Chrysler, Thereminist.

Black leather(?) kid gloves, sequins, and a theremin.
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would gloves affect theremin playing?
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