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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:39 am    Post subject: Dorian Schlesinger Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

this is an experiment based on a scale I derived from an extended tonality diamond shown on this picture (taken from LMSO) . The tonality diamond is on the right, my scale is on the left. You can see that this eptatonic scale is one of the scales featured in the diamond: look at the bottom tile (1/1), the closest tile on the right is 22/13, follow that diagonal (from right to left) line and you'll see my scale.
This scale is based on the studies, by Kathleen Schlesinger, of the tuning systems used in ancient Greece. She calls this scale: "Dorian".
My experiment does not have anything Greek in it but maybe it sounds Greek to you Exclamation Cool

The song has been created using LMSO and Reason with its internal sequencers (real-time and step-time ones) Exclamation

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Cute. It's very Gamelan-esque.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks Paul.
It's an experiment with a new feature of LMSO: it's a new approach to retuning sample based (.sxt files) refills of Reason that allows to use Matrix.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I found this a very pleasant scale to listen to, at least in this piece. The literature links are interesting as well (but it does get a bit much to read together with "music and the power of sound" , but I'll get there, eventually Smile ).

Hey these are nice small factors, I'm going to try this one on the G2 (that one can not easily go beyond 31 in either numerator or denominator).

If I get it right on can just pick any diagonal line from the diamond figure to obtain another scale to experiment with?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I find that a lot of these kinds of scales have to work in a particular mode or else they are really bad. This one seems like it's in its natural spot. I think the Greeks tuned each instrument to whatever it could do or something. It's tough to do experimental archaeology, you know.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:

If I get it right on can just pick any diagonal line from the diamond figure to obtain another scale to experiment with?

Thanks Jan, the answer is yes, every diagonal line is a 7 step scale

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

EdisonRex wrote:
It's tough to do experimental archaeology, you know.

I think that once you take a scale out of his original melodic, harmonic (if applicable), timbral context you are beyond archeology. The scale becomes a resource for new experimental sonic landscapes maybe reminiscent of old/ancient ones.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I like this very much. After your inspiring talk at Chateau Sonore, I'm really much more open to these alternative tunings.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey,

are there any programs similar to LMSO that run on Windows machines.

Also, I'd be more interested in a user friendly program than an extremely adaptable one.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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hey,

are there any programs similar to LMSO that run on Windows machines.

Also, I'd be more interested in a user friendly program than an extremely adaptable one.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
I like this very much. After your inspiring talk at Chateau Sonore, I'm really much more open to these alternative tunings.


Thanks Howard

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks!

I was planning on trying to explore the scale as well, but ran into a pretty major roadblock.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just uploaded a new version of this song that is more structurally balanced, imo Exclamation
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I just uploaded a new version of this song that is more structurally balanced, imo Exclamation


It's got more structure. Are you using some algorithmic components to this as well as the tuning? There are sections that remind me of old Dr T's Tunesmith output. It's cool sounding.

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It's got more structure. Are you using some algorithmic components to this as well as the tuning? There are sections that remind me of old Dr T's Tunesmith output. It's cool sounding.

Thanks Paul, I had Tunesmith on my Atari, 20 years ago Wink but no, I am not using any algorithmic component. That effect depends on the use of Reason's step sequencer (the above mentioned "Matrix").

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Seraph,

I really like this track. You utilized non-ET tuning and created music that has great spirit and holds one's interest.

While the intervals are a bit "jarring" at first, one is quickly drawn in to the musical world you created.

More, more!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Seraph,

I really like this track. You utilized non-ET tuning and created music that has great spirit and holds one's interest.

While the intervals are a bit "jarring" at first, one is quickly drawn in to the musical world you created.

More, more!

thank you very much Kevin Very Happy but, as far as "jarring" intervals are concerned you should be an expert Shocked I just listened to your CowboySong Wink and let me tell ya, there is plenty of jarring intervals there Twisted Evil ...but I love it Cool

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