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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I guess we simply should allow the LTMM crowd to do their thing. Controlling and policing board activity in order to make this lot stick around and contribute is probably not a good idea. I do however see your point.
It must be said that viral marketing and the LTMM crowd are two completely different issues.

How do the viral marketing dudes work?

We have two patterns so far, either a hit and run post, or the contributing kind, which usually means a couple of "thx for that link", "I like that music too" and stuff like that. Then the "ads" will be posted. Some accounts are cultivated over time, so we will see viral activity over a stretch over several years. THere might even be a few of those "thx for that link" posts now and then just to keep the account active and seemingly kosher.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

A good example of an honest post from a guy who wants to promote his music:
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-21127.html

This is good.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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It must be said that viral marketing and the LTMM crowd are two completely different issues.


...they are differant, but i don't think they are _completely_ differant. they are similar in that they are both trying to _get_ value without _giving_ anything in return. of course the viral folks are being paid to do this which is worse...but both are "getting" without "giving".

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Deknow, thanks much for your suggestion. We will give it due consideration. I'm not sure how to enforce something like that. Sometimes, people find the site, post a LTMM post and then become serious contributors because they are impressed by the quality of the responses. We wouldn't want to discourage that.

Another thing, how much would a fair charge for an announcement on this site be worth? Seriously, I'd like to sell advertisements to relevant companies, like synth manufacturers, but I don't know how to determine what appropriate rates for ads are.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

well, i guess one question would be:

if there are 2 groups of ltmm folks:
1. those that do end up participating and contribute to the value here
2. those that do not end up participating and only want to promote their own music for free

then

would group 1 be scared off if they were asked to participate in some way before posting their own music? or (as you say above), are they drawn to participate because of the response to their music?

i don't know the answer, but i do think that this viral marketing stuff is going to be more and more of a problem.

as far as charging....i would charge synth companies who want to help support the site a very reasonable rate...but those violating the tos (which would need to be rewritten) a more "punitive" rate. in most cases, i doubt that you would end up collecting from them (unless they really bomb the site, and there is enough built up charges to make it worthwhile to make an issue, and perhaps court). we could also have a "wall of shame" which might be useful to other sites dealing with this same problem.

...this is a little ot, but funny as hell:

several years ago, i was working for my brother in law. his cousin was working in an office, and would periodicaly call us to help get rid of porno popups (yes, he was surfing porn at work, in an office, with many women working there). after a few such calls in a short period of time, i asked my brother in law if we could play a prank...the answer was yes Smile

so, i knew the name of the site he was visiting, i made a hotmail account with a variation of the name (misterskin.com), and sent a legal sounding email that said:
"you have exceded the free services of our website, and according to the tos you agreed to, you owe us $200 for the services you have recieved. if you do not pay this ammount, new federal regulations allow us to collect it from your isp"...or somesuch. it should be noted, that the isp was a friend of ours, and we had recomended them.

2 days later, we hadn't heard anything...so we called him to see what was going on. he, of course, had the isp on the other line, i assume he had told his boss what happened, and he was yelling at the isp telling them to do something about this. well, when we told him it was a joke and that it was us, not mrskin.com who had emailed him, he simply hung up. he has a good relationship with my brother in law..but won't speak to me at the rare event we are both at (every few years).

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Re: contributing - every now and then a newbie of some kind pops in to a forum here and asks a simple question. Often the topic will get a relatively quick reply, and then an excited "thank you" post with smilies and stuff. Maybe I'm just sentimental, but I find reading these topics heart-warming, especially if I was fast (and knowing) enough to be able to answer them myself. Even if that person then never posts again.

It would be a pity to lose these people because of an extra threshold. The problem with adding restrictions because of some specific thing is the unexpected side-effects.

/Stefan

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, I suspect the best way of attacking viral marketing is point it out when we see it, or move it to a trash can. Otherwise, let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt. That's about all we really can do at this point.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

deknow wrote:
i don't know the answer, but i do think that this viral marketing stuff is going to be more and more of a problem.


Just to be sure: LTMM != VM and that implies we should not restrict LTMM posts because VM will be more of a problem later.

And this does not mean I think that VM will not be a problem, actually I do appreciate LTMM posts ... and I don't like VM a bit.

I hope that's not too many nots on a row Very Happy

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