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v-un-v
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:59 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | It must be said that the Creative Cultures people haven´t really made a huge effort in order to hide their idenities.
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yeah but that's hardly surprising because at the moment it is 'fresh' and hasn't reached the dizzy heights of being accused of being just another type of spam yet.
elektro80 wrote: | Shouldn´t these guys pay for ads? |
Of course they should. VM is marketed as 'punk' but punk it ain't. VM intends to make money like any other capitalist system does. There's big money behind it, and its making big money- but at others expense. therefore it's morrally distasteful- well in my opinion anyway.
perhaps these people are 'anarcho-capitalists'??
hmm perhaps not. perhaps they'd like to think that they are?? _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Kassen
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:04 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | OK, I unbanned the domain but locked the CC001 acccount. I hope we´ll see their managing director showing up here and explain why they are exploting us. |
We could simply mail them and publish the results? _________________ Kassen |
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bachus
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:59 am Post subject:
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The guy who is being VMed is so pathologically self absorbed that it sometimes feels a bit like parody. I don't get out much, so tell me are people really this empty? Is this why pop culture smells like crap? _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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v-un-v
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:25 am Post subject:
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bachus wrote: | Is this why pop culture smells like crap? |
steady.....
Pop culture only smells bad when it steps in something undesirable- like the "Creative Industries" for eg;
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Time is running out to register your place at the First Contact event and Exploring your Creative Enterprise seminars .... contact Emma Forman on 0121 224 7375 or e.forman@creativelaunchpad.co.uk now to reserve one of the remaining places.
First Contact Event
Tuesday 25th September
Time: 15:00 – 17:00
The Theatre, Custard Factory, Digbeth, Birmingham, B9 4AA
What a great way to find out what’s going on in the world of support to the creative industries in the West Midlands with this engagement event.
At this event you will be able to find out what is going on; whether it be events, training, seminars, funding, jobs, networking opportunities, work experience, support etc. and hear from just of few of the providers:
For more details go to www.creativelaunchpad.co.uk/firstcontact or call Tel: 0121 224 7375
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Exploring your Creative Enterprise
If you are passionate about setting up your creative industry enterprise or have just started up in the Creative Industries then this programme of training support is for you. In association with the newly formed and refocused Business Link West Midlands, Creative Launchpad can invite you to attend one, or many of these training seminars as short, sharp bursts of critical information that you need to develop your enterprise.
The training seminars will be delivered by David Roberts, Programme Manager, and original founder for Creative Launchpad and is a great chance to learn from his experiences of supporting creative companies set up over the past 4 years.
Full information can be found at www.creativelaunchpad.co.uk/enterprisesupport
Introduction to Your Creative Enterprise
Tuesday 25th September
17:30-20:30
The Custard Factory, Theatre Space
Or
Saturday 29th September
10:00-13:00
The Custard Factory, Theatre Space
Finding it difficult to work out what to do next with your business idea? Well, attend this Introduction to your Creative Enterprise session and you will learn about what you need to do to develop your business, identify some keys areas of support required, plan what support you need and find out what support is available. You will also get a chance to get to know other course participants and expand your contact base.
Show me the money, and I'll manage it … promise!
Keep it Legal!
Friday 28th September
14:00-17:00
The Custard Factory, Theatre Space
With increasing pressure on small businesses to comply with financial management and reporting to Inland Revenue and Companies House, this seminar will take you through the basics of managing your money. The result will be that when you do start invoicing clients, or receiving grants/bursaries/funding to set up, you can be confident that you will be able to manage your money properly. We will also spend time in the seminar identifying different types of funding available to you, and what funding is most relevant to your business.
This seminar will also look at the legal requirements that exist when you set up in business, whether it is the legal requirement to register your Business, sort out tax and National Insurance contributions, protecting your Intellectual Property, Data Protection or sub-contracting to freelance workers.
Successful Selling and Target Marketing
Friday 28th September
10:00-13:00
The Custard Factory, Theatre Space
This seminar will help you to identify and generate your own business leads, build a Contact Management System and manage your contacts so they lead to greater sales. It will also help you to improve your networking skills and widen your circle of contacts.
This seminar is also designed to give you knowledge about the best ways to identify your market and sell to them. |
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IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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blue hell
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:30 am Post subject:
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Quote: | Show me the money, and I'll manage it |
_________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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elektro80
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:32 am Post subject:
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The Custard Factory.. seems like an excellent venue for reenactments of Custer´s last stand. Keep in mind that revisionism is a way of life, not a virus. ( or was it the other way around.. )
Whatever
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:35 am Post subject:
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Blue Hell wrote: | Quote: | Show me the money, and I'll manage it |
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Uh... isn´t that one supposed to go like:
Show me your oil and I´ll bomb you _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:37 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | Show me your oil and I´ll bomb you |
More honest ... so probably not to be used in public _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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v-un-v
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elektro80
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:46 am Post subject:
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v-un-v wrote: | unfortunately nothing to do with Custer's last stand (great idea though )
It's more to do with that yellow sticky stuff so beloved by the English (.....nope. not baby banana puke ), but this stuff.... |
I know.. but keep in mind that you have told me some about the Custard Factory scene already... I didn´t play with words here. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:47 am Post subject:
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Blue Hell wrote: | Quote: | Show me the money, and I'll manage it |
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well yes, well spotted!
cynical isn't it?
They laugh about it- but they mean it too
I once tried to get money out of these sharks for a website (I wasn't 'allowed' to make my own btw). They gave me a 'grant' of £1500 for a website that cost £3000. The deal was that I was getting it for half price (because I had to cough up the other half). HOWEVER- there was a strict condition. This condition was that I could ONLY commission one of their recommended web designers- and no one else.
This is the state of British 'arts' right now. means tested and to targets _________________ ACHTUNG!
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IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:50 am Post subject:
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Of course Stein
Good that this is in Schmooze too. It'll be nice if something filters back to the filth that flies round what little money is available for British Art right now. _________________ ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:51 am Post subject:
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v-un-v wrote: | This is the state of British 'arts' right now. means tested and to targets |
Take care unless you want to end up like Custer´s horse:
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:53 am Post subject:
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come get me sukkahz!!! _________________ ACHTUNG!
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IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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Kassen
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:08 am Post subject:
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What a great way to find out what’s going on in the world of support to the creative industries in the West Midlands with this engagement event.
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That's not even a sentence. _________________ Kassen |
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elektro80
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:10 am Post subject:
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See, it isn´t too hard to spot a dodo these days. Amazing. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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So.. why wouldn´t Djmag.com play inside the djmag forums instead of here?
They have more than 20 000 registered users. We have only 7002. However, our userbase is responsible for 137 171 posts. The DJmag forums
have less than half of this ( 62831 ). Consider what the numbers really mean and consider what is the most successful website ( as seen by a marketing professional ). _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject:
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imho, e-m should just send them a bill for advertising.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject:
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deknow wrote: | imho, e-m should just send them a bill for advertising. |
And make it a big one, it's a lot of work to keep this thread alive for them _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject:
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...shouldn't be too big to start. add big late fees every month, then hie a collection agency
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elektro80
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject:
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I have no problem with MIM giving large sums to a marketing company in order to promote their DJMAG.com business. It can be argued that Creative Cultures of course already knows that the DJMAG.com website is a dead duck, so how ethical this is .. well..
The real problem is getting to used to having fake personalities posting stealthy promo stuff here. I´m pretty sure I really hate that idea.
It must be said that the Creative Cultures marketing gods, even though they haven´t covered their tracks well, are lying and stealing. They should pay for ads and not act like leeches. As for the fake personalities and such, those games are theirs to play at their board meetings. We won´t have any of that here. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject:
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deknow wrote: | imho, e-m should just send them a bill for advertising.
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unfortunately they are more likely just to laugh at it and throw it away (I would imagine). _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject:
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Nope, not if the member agreement text is edited a bit in order to "handle" viral marketing companies. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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