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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:00 am Post subject:
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for those into this kind of crazy stuff I will add the I called it “quasi ¼ comma chromatic bluesy” because a real ¼ comma meantone cycle of 12 perfect fifths (each 696.578 cents) would look like the one in the “1/4 comma chromatic” picture, the famous Renaissance and Baroque tuning, that I find much uglier than mine!
In my scale (I say “mine” but it could have been discovered hundreds of years ago) major thirds are either 5/4 (386.314 cents) or 406.844 cents (very close to pythagoric ones, 407.82 cents), minor thirds are either 310.265 (close to 6/5, 315.64129 cents) or 289.736 (almost 13/11, 289.20972), perfect fifths are always 696.578 cents (the so called “generating interval”, see above, while the octave is the so called “folding interval”).
I am posting my “piano interpretation” of “Insensatez” (How Insensitive) by Antonio Carlos Jobim and Vinicius de Moraes, played using this tuning to let you know what I am talking about!
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject:
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Heh carlo. I would have not thought to listen had you not bumped this.
I once tuned a piano in perfect fifths, because I could. It sounded very much like what you have, except I added proper beating for each note. My music professor was tolerant of the exercise, he let me play the piano for a couple of days then he asked me to please tune it properly now that I had my fun.
There are certain keys in this tuning that work great, and there are certain keys/modes that really sound different. have you tried playing on some of the odd modes? _________________ Garret: It's so retro.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject:
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EdisonRex wrote: | have you tried playing on some of the odd modes? |
I have tried a few things on different keys. in general I would say this tuning sounds earthy, bluesy, unrefined (in a good way) to me. _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject:
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Can you describe the unrefined-ness? I always thought of it as more refined, in certain keys, but really jarring in others. If you get afoul of the circle of fifths, as it relates to modes, I mean. Which is funny because in this scale you're theoretically even in the circle of fifths, sort of. Except it doesn't seem to work out when you hit the octave.
I envy you LMSO, and yeah I'll buy it soon when I have time to devote to it. You have to want to do something, and I can see you are having a blast with it.
No time yet, and less for a while. _________________ Garret: It's so retro.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject:
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EdisonRex wrote: | Can you describe the unrefined-ness? |
maybe because of the long exposure to equal temperament, this scale sounds familiar because you can play almost any piece of the usual repertoire with it but, at the same time, it does not sound as "geometrically polished" as the ingeniously built 12tET. For me it's like comparing something built by hand with some mass-produced device (I usually prefer the former).
EdisonRex wrote: | I always thought of it as more refined, in certain keys, but really jarring in others. |
You are right consonance-wise but the unevenness of intervals makes it more interesting and challenging.
EdisonRex wrote: | it doesn't seem to work out when you hit the octave. |
all octaves are exactly 1200 cents.
EdisonRex wrote: | I envy you LMSO... |
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:20 am Post subject:
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seraph wrote: | quasi ¼ comma meantone... |
according to Barbour's "Tuning and Temperament" this scale could be defined "mean-semitone" or "semi-meantone". I thought everyone was waiting for this detail.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject:
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well. Education is always good, you know.  _________________ Garret: It's so retro.
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