Steinberg reinvents AI

elektro80 · Last edited by elektro80 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:12 am; edited 3 times in total

Right.. we all know that the small techie stuff is what makes Joe DAW-head go "I want this now".

Anyways... are there some out there who are old enough to remember what AI used to mean ..

No.. not the danish mag Asses International no no

Now the most excellent Yamaha owned Steinberg has released AI enabled audio and control interfaces. But this time AI means Advanced Integration. Usually that is the marketing department´s way to say that "this time it works better.. almost.. at least most of the time.. and possibly you just might initially think it provides something that you actually might convince yourself that you need"

Rolling Eyes

And now they are TMing everything.

True Integrated Monitoring?! TM! My ASS™

Obviously some customers finally understood that what made the Steinberg/Nuendo branded RME gear great was the most excellent RME signal routing matrix. Now they are trying to convince customers that Steinberg is finally making sense of how a DAW based studio really is supposed to work? Rolling Eyes

Anyways.. it was SOS that baited me by posting sections of the Steinberg press release. http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=9963
Steinberg is already trying flush the AI thing and retell the story in a way that makes the "AI" look less stupid.

That being said, the products might actually be quite decent. I´m just a bit rattled by why the owners of Steinberg think that hiring glue sniffers equals building an unbeatable marketing team.

Low Note · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject:

Half of the reason I invested (seeing that I'd have to spend a considerable amount of time learning the software, I see it as more than purchasing) in Cubase was that its marketing was fairly unflashy/understated/not absurd!

I was looking at the others, and I was using my professor as a resource in what to look into, and he did recommend cubase after I asked him about it, but the only reason I asked him was because I had gotten a little sick of the way all the other DAW manufacturer's go head over heals about product features that are generally not ALL that special. 9 times out of 10 you can find it in a competitor or a plug in, I feel.

But after getting to know the software and the company (my first install of SL 3 went TERRIBLY. Ended up being an issue with their Interface the MI 4, but I couldn't tell since the only thing I had to hear from was the MI 4.) I've begun to wonder about the sanity over at Steinberg.

Low Note · Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject:

Also, the desktop controller looks interesting. I've been looking for one for a while. I wonder how much its going to cost.

Speaking of which, any rec's for one? Ideally, I would like one that has more than just one channel strip, but that's more of a comfort than anything.

Kassen

elektro80

Kassen · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:05 am Post subject:

I honestly thought it would be about auto accompaniment or some sort of analysis feature...

This stuff seems to come down to "there's a driver and now hardware and software talk to eachother". Also DSP chip can be used to -shock- run software on. Whoopty do.

Fozzie · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:41 am Post subject:

bachus

Fozzie

Inventor · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject:

bachus · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject:

Antimon · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject:

EdisonRex · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject:

Seems like Yamaha, the owner of the glue sniffing joint, have been using the same bright minds.
Now we have the RH10MS's S-Logic™ thingie.

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject:

OK.. what about electro-music.com Studio Orgone™

I´m sure we can sell truckloads of this stuff.

Inventor · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject:

An Oxford University expert claims 10 to 20 years for researchers to accomplish an AI system with the complexity of the brain in this CNN article:

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/07/24/ai.bostrom/

But that doesn't mean it will happen.

Regarding the power limit, once constraints like clock integrity and power dissipation become too strong, designers will work around that with specialized processors as they did with math co-processors and graphics chips. There will likely be co-processors designed to implement neural nets from the ground up, with millions of calculations per clock cycle possible in all its fully parallel processing fury.

Once that also has been done do death, new stuff like quantum computing and nanotechnology may become practical. Already researchers who figured out how to use bug protein to store information are claiming very high capacity memory devices based on their technology will be commercially available in a few years.

Soon to come on the Apple store website:
[X] Upgrade: Bug Protein Hard Drive, add $199
[X] Upgrade: Neural Co-processor, add $599
[X] Upgrade: AI Music Buddy Software, add $79 *
* requires Neural Co-processor

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject:

Sure.. within in a few years I´m sure I´ll own an Apple iBug. On the other hand, I get the feeling I´ve already owned at least one.. several times over.. Shocked

Creepy feeling..

That said, Apple software products are very workflow oriented. That is a good thing. I´ve spent 4 hours with Aperture 2.1 just now and it is really great.

bachus · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject:

Inventor · Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject:

Um, guys I've been playing with neural net programs. I've been giving them the ability to resize themselves and unsupervised learning. Well, last night i gave one the ability to read and write network packets and let it run... This morning it was gone!

Rolling Eyes

seraph · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:03 am Post subject:

bachus · Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:43 am Post subject:

dualphin · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

I am pretty frustrated. I just updated the PROM on my ReelFeel emotion chip—all the marketing promised "more humanlike emotion than ever before" but my feelings keep on dropping out... I wish I had never gotten rid of the old chip. And I am just started out with all this... I am a total emotion noob. And the Adiktion plug-in was a bad idea... in general it seems to conflict with the Total Stability DEW concept. Maybe I should go for something more improvisational—more loop-based—like Enabler Live?

Maybe I should go for the high end stuff-- like Analyst?

d

bachus · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: