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Hi!
We’re a small swedish software company specializing in programs capable of creating music automatically.
For further development of our software, we intend to build a large reference group of music interested people, who can give us input by evaluating the music created by our programs.
You’d be given a link to a few samples of autophonic music and would be asked to tell us what you like or dislike about it, what could be performed differently etc.
If you’re interested in joining our reference group, please drop us a line at refgroup@autophonics.com.
More info and sound examples at www.autophonics.com
If you have a Nokia mobile/cell phone (selected models), you can try a free demo of our ringtone composer and music player MusAic for mobile phones at www.musaic.info.
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This kinda sounds interesting. 
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Interesting indeed ... but ...
| Quote: | | Traditionally, algorithmic generation of music yields esoteric, Avant Garde style compositions, of intrerest only to a small fraction of the listening community. |
 do they really have to tell me that straight in the face 
| Quote: | | The listener thus plays an important role in the creation of the music, which becomes more and more personalized. |
Which raises some interesting copyright questions. Although ...
| Quote: | | [...]It features simple handlebar methods to generate a flow of copyright-free MIDI compositions[...] |
... Autophonics seems to think it doesn't? Guess it depends on how the software is being used.
Commercialization of the Noodle ... shit ... we're all doomed indeed  Must say though that some of the examples are not really bad Noodles, especially the higher numbered examples.
Interesting 
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| Quote: | | ... we're all doomed indeed |
I don't know dude your shit is pretty cool. Unless of course they made noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles...then you might be in trouble. |
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[quote="Blue Hell"]Interesting indeed ... but ...
| Quote: | | Traditionally, algorithmic generation of music yields esoteric, Avant Garde style compositions, of intrerest only to a small fraction of the listening community. |
Oh yes, and they chose to post that here... where the love for true avant gard compositions is literally flowing out of every virtual and non virtual patch connection.
Off to the tar pits? 
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| Quote: | | The listener thus plays an important role in the creation of the music, which becomes more and more personalized. |
Which raises some interesting copyright questions. Although ...
| Quote: | | [...]It features simple handlebar methods to generate a flow of copyright-free MIDI compositions[...] |
... Autophonics seems to think it doesn't? Guess it depends on how the software is being used.
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Obviously they have a product to sell and there must be money in it somewhere?!
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| destroyifyer wrote: | | I don't know dude your shit is pretty cool. Unless of course they made noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles that make noodles...then you might be in trouble. |
Thanks .. I'll stick to "less popular" ones then better
| elektro80 wrote: | | Obviously they have a product to sell and there must be money in it somewhere?! |
I think there is a demand for copyright free music, maybe not (not in the first place at least) because it is seen as unreasonable to pay musicians and composers for their work, but the current dealing with copyrights is quite a hassle administratively it seems. Then again, it's possible that I'm not cynical enough
Some years ago I sort of had a vision of people having noodle devices (as the "modern" transistor radio) and (maybe other, maybe the same) people writing ever changing compositions for that - which still seems interesting to me but not so practical yet (although some of the latest iDevices may actually be suitable for this ...  ).
At the same time it is worrying me though, as it seems like another aspect of robotizing the world.
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Using this tech for circumventing copyright law is indeed rather disturbing.
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| elektro80 wrote: | | Using this tech for circumventing copyright law is indeed rather disturbing. |
Hi, E80!
I'm note sure exactly how you mean, but here in Sweden at least (Administrating ABBA, Roxette, so they should have some international validity) the rules are as follows:
1) A machine can not be a copyright holder.
2) Therefore, any music automatically generated by a machine is copyright free.
3) Anyone guiding a machine that generates music automatically can claim copyright for the generated music.
4) If a machine automatically generates music that resembles a previously copyrighted composition so much that publishing the new one is a copyright infringement... well, no one really knows...
This hasn't happened to date, though. : )
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I still think your technology is interesting. Make no mistake about that. 
| Quote: | | an application built on the Autophonics MidiEngine in combination with good software synthesizers and samplers, could generate the entire program material (copyright-free music non-stop, with listeners guiding the musical style, by rating through a web site). |
The quote above taken from your website clearly illustrates what I hinted at in my previous post. Some might find this to be a wonderful new thing, but I personally see this as yet another ideological attack on the essence of music and the rights of musicians and composers. I mean, who needs them anyway?
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I want to make clear that the technology presented is of course of great interest, but I´m on the dystopian groove re its applications in a capitalist world.
As for the listener "writing" his/her own music by using preference controls, this does of sorts bring back memories of the mid 90s when the promise of interactive stories and movies rattled both investment bankers and several industries to the core. There isn´t much left of the 90s interaction craze these days. It seems that the demand is more in the direction of immersive experiences and narratives and less about user preferences/interaction.
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True.
But I also see a fascinating possibility to use subliminal signals such as footstomping and body temperature as interactive input.
This way, even the not very interested will leave their mark on the music.
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For further development of our software, we intend to build a large reference group of music interested people
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Here you go:
              
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OK, send in the Daleks!
Well, I dunno. The technology itself is still of interest. My only problem with it is how it is applied. I might say the same about the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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| elektro80 wrote: | OK, send in the Daleks!
Well, I dunno. The technology itself is still of interest. |
Sure. I spent some time last year working on a patent for a client company -- their application ideas, my mechanism, their patent, my income for 2007 -- that used statistical inference to learn the habits and preferences of mobile users. Not applied to music, although there is no reason one couldn't.
I think the biggest problem for statistical creation of so-called music is that, for real music, you want surprises, you want something that comes from outside of the laws of averages, you want new creation. If I want the same old formulaic crap, I can already get it very easily. That is one of the more difficult parts of algorithmic composition, finding that elusive boundary between chaos and order. Not commercially, statistically predictable, is it? Just like artists.
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