Groups of modules

Afro88 · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:58 pm Post subject: Groups of modules

Ooo, this voting thing is fun Very Happy

hehe

It'd be very useful if you could save a group of modules to a file which appears in the right click menu. When one such file is selected, this group of modules can be placed in the current patch, eliminating the need for copy/pasting from other patches to get pre-programmed groups of modules. For example, a "warm analogue filter with distortion" group of modules could be created to be placed in whatever patch you want at the click on a button.

blue hell · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject:

For the NM Classsic it was possible to open a patch in the editor without sending it to a slot on the synth. I used this feature for the purpose of getting groups of modules into a patch.

On the G2 iit is not possible to open a patch without sending it to a slot,( or I didn't discover how). This makes things very clumsy especially when working on four patches simultaneously. One patch has to be overwritten by a temporary patch, the modules must be copied out and the original patch must then be reloaded.

I think the way it worked on the Classic could be an alternative or part of a solution, especially so because opening a template without having the possibility to preview it would have a somewhat limited usability.

But seriously, I do think that it would be good to have a means to get groups of modules into a patch without the clumsiness that is requiered now.

I'm not sure yet as to what would be the best way to shape such a feature.

Jan.

mosc · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:46 pm Post subject:

This is sorta getting toward hierarchical patches. I know it would be difficult for the developers, but nice for the musicians...

elektro80 · Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Groups of modules

Kraken · Joined: Aug 10, 2004 Posts: 26 Location: Spain

Salud!

Reaktor resolves it in an elegant fashion with modules/instruments/ensembles. It could be great to be able to save "preset" groups, yeah.

W.T. · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject: usefull

Yes just like in reaktor would be great. Laughing

sebber · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject:

grimley · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:27 pm Post subject:

I would love to see this macro idea expanded with user customizable UI components or skins.
For instance you open up a macro template where you can add things like bitmaps, skinnable sliders and knobs etc. You right click on them to assign them to any patch parameter and when you hit tab you flip "Reason style" to the "back" of the UI where you see all your components and cabling as normal.
I think it would be a great marketing gimmick too!!
-grimley

zynthetix · Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject:

you are perfectly describing the way I use macros in reaktor. I like it , but It is probably best if the programmers did not implement this. It would open up a whole can of worms that would really change the G2 software as a whole.

Afro88 · Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject:

There's probably not much use for it either, except for engine users that program the synth mainly from the computer. Key users would have no need for this - they already have the best UI for tweaking parameters anyway!

Because inherently the key and engine versions are the same, I don't see Clavia implementing this.... maybe for the G3 dsp card? Wink

grimley · Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:56 pm Post subject:

The only reason I thought of this was that after studying some of the bigger patches on here for an hour or two I still don't have a clue what is going on ... hell, I've got some patches of my own that I load up now and don't know what I was doing!!!! It can be very difficult (at least for my small mind) to follow the signal paths and see the big picture of some of the more complex multi-slot patches. Custom UIs and macros would go a long way to making these patches more usable.

I'm sure there are some patches on this site that are really great but I'll never know because I don't know how to interact with them correctly.

In the meantime I'm going through my own patches and organsing them better so that tweakable controls are all on the left for example and then the guts are on the right seperated by name bars and using different colors etc. You can then hide the cables and your UI controls are all neatly lined up on the left. The big problem with this is that if you want to go back and modify the guts of the patch then the components are no longer in the logical order you designed the patch in.

-g

blue hell · Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:20 am Post subject:

mosc · Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:42 am Post subject:

jamos · Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject:

As a software engineer I can assure everyone here that the step from "storing groups of mosules and connection in files" to a reactor-like Ensemble system is a potentially huge step. Both would be nice, but just the former would be good enough for me, and should not be too hard (given that we already have clipboard capability.)

As for skins: Lord, no! I'd hate to have the Clavia engineers waste their time on stuff like that when there are so many other useful ideas out there.

ian-s · Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:55 pm Post subject:

I have no idea what is going on in Jan (and others) noodles, they are just there to enjoy IMHO.

As for skins, I have become very fond of the clean, uncluttered, 2D look of The G2 editor.

And Jim, how did the live performance go? I would love to hear about it.

Afro88 · Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:45 pm Post subject:

Rob · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:30 am Post subject:

Multiple levels like macro's in macro's is not at all the Clavia point of view, instead they aimed for one flat user interface without bells, whistles and furry skins.

Still, it should be quite easy to implement a 'save selection to file' and an 'insert from file' command.
Clavia seems to be a little afraid that there would be patches around that are 'silent' when loaded, as these patches need to be inserted into an existing patch. Or they might suddenly make a patch exceed the dsp resources. Which imho is 'koud water vrees' (fear for 'diving into water that might be a bit chilly', not unlike stage fright).

Roland Kuit · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:26 am Post subject: Groups of modules

i created different maps, where from i copy a certain groups of modules.
It works perfectly.

egw · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Groups of modules

blue hell · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:48 am Post subject:

map is dutch for folder.

Jan.

Roland Kuit · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:50 am Post subject: Groups

Thanx Jan

blue hell · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:58 am Post subject:

Didn't know whether you were still hanging around or not :-)

Jan.

cappy2112 · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject:

grimley · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject:

Just noticed this thread got bumped again and re-read my post above. For those who do want skins and have Cubase SX3: you can create a GUI for your G2 patch using the new midi device panels in SX3. Works quite well.
-g

gomidas · Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:10 am Post subject:

It seems that there is not so much improvements that will come out with the 1.40 editor (except the cool patch mutator), but anyway lets say it again!....YES! MACRO IS NEEDED (or right click building block,template clipboard,you can call it as you want....)!!

ps:hope some people at CLAVIA check the wishlist sometimes.... Laughing