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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: Neutral Steel
Subject description: for lap steel guitar and drums
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Neutral Steel is a song for lap steel guitar and drums. It reminds me of the style of Ry Cooder or Bill Frisell but with a twist: the tuning of the guitar is based on the Wyshnegradsky's scale with neutral thirds.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice one Carlo, also followed the link to the neutral vocoder song (had not heard it before) funny how the scale seem to work different in both songs ... anyway, I liked both!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Good piece. It's really nice to hear the expressive use of bends combined with new tunings.

And it sure doesn't sound like Wyshnegradsky!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

xjscott wrote:
It's really nice to hear the expressive use of bends combined with new tunings.

Thanks guys Very Happy
The selective bending to simulate a string instrument is an old trick I devised in the '90s: I assign the same instrument to 2 midi channels so that it's possible to bend a few notes without bending other ones Exclamation

It's a great trick I am giving away. Try it out Exclamation

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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...also followed the link to the neutral vocoder song (had not heard it before)...


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check out your comment on that one Exclamation

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm getting old Crying or Very sad I forgot ...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I'm getting old

I know it's not really comforting but you are not the only one Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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The selective bending to simulate a string instrument is an old trick I devised in the '90s to bend a few notes without bending other ones


Oh, you know I thought you were just using LMSO to do that automatically.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

xjscott wrote:
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The selective bending to simulate a string instrument is an old trick I devised in the '90s to bend a few notes without bending other ones


Oh, you know I thought you were just using LMSO to do that automatically.


holy cow Exclamation you are right but the instrument I'm using is Spectrasonics Omnisphere that, as you know, loads .tun files so it is not very dynamic Wink and, believe me, building something like 8 mono instruments to use with NuScale is more taxing, for my laptop, than using 2 poly instruments retuned with .tun files.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

But Carlo, Omnisphere is 8 part multitimbral! You don't have to do all that fancy stuff, just one instance will handle it fine. Unless there's something I'm missing. (Probably so, I bet there is a non-disableable full reverb running separately on each channel and throttling the CPU rather than a sensible instrument design with send busses?)

BTW, drives me nuts how many other plugins are not multitimbral, there's no excuse for that, it's just lazy to leave that out.

(This is all theoretical by the way, the piece sounded great so clearly there was no reason to do it any other way.)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Jeff
it is a single instance (look at the attached picture). I didn't even think of that option because I couldn't have played it in real time anyway.
Plus, I did not have to run LMSO along Logic (I know you would disagree with that Wink )


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The way you are doing it is the best way for what you are doing.

I am just gear-talking at this point, idle conversation...

Omnisphere screen shot VERY helpful and interesting - it has the aux sends there presumably to the fx channels, so only one reverb is needed for all 8 multitimbral instances. YES. That is the correct way to build a synth. Not so many softsynths get this basic stuff right. No matter how fast someone's computer is, running a whole bunch of identical reverbs is never as good for the CPU as running just one. I like that interface with the rack on one tab and the individual instruments each on their own.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Spectrasonics yesterday released an Omnisphere upgrade.
Last night I was listening to some of the many new available sounds. Some of them are really a blast. Really inspiring Exclamation

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I really enjoyed that - Bravo Carlo! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I really enjoyed that - Bravo Carlo! Very Happy

Grazie DJ Wink
btw how come your cats have Italian names (Enzo and Dario) Question

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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btw how come your cats have Italian names (Enzo and Dario) Question

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They're named after Enzo Ferrari and Dario Fo.

The alternative might have been to name them after Per Kohl-Larsen and Henrik Ibsen, perhaps...

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

wow!

I had never heard of the Troll car.

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He was only allowed to sell 15 cars in Norway


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Fortunately for Enzo Ferrari, Italy did not have to sell fish to USSR Wink

Are we straying off topic Question

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