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jamos
Joined: Jun 01, 2004 Posts: 514 Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:48 pm Post subject:
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I'm trying to get a handle around how variations work when the Global parameter pages are active it seems to me - and I'm not sure yet - that:
- If global parameter pages are active, then selecting a variation will select that variation for all slots.
- If global parameter pages are active, the copy/paste variation functions affect all four slots.
I think. I can't find anything about this in the manual, and this may be complicated by the fact that this particular performance has all 4 slots active for keyboard control - that is, layered.
Can anyone point me to a reference in the manual that explains how this works?
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mosc
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Joined: Jan 31, 2003 Posts: 18197 Location: Durham, NC
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject:
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I've had the hardest time understanding this too. If I remember my experiences with global pages, I think your observations are correct. The variation unification I found very frustrating. One would think you wouldn't want the individual slots to change variations from the global pages, just changes in the global parameters. I've pretty much stopped using global pages for this reason.
I'm interested in any posts that could shed some light on this too. |
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Rob
Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 580 Location: The Hague/Netherlands/EC
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:15 pm Post subject:
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mosc wrote: | I've had the hardest time understanding this too. If I remember my experiences with global pages, I think your observations are correct. The variation unification I found very frustrating. One would think you wouldn't want the individual slots to change variations from the global pages, just changes in the global parameters. I've pretty much stopped using global pages for this reason.
I'm interested in any posts that could shed some light on this too. |
The idea to have all slots change variation in global mode is to allow for keyboard performances where several sounds are stacked. In this case it is sort of a performance variation.
But it needs a lot of variation copying and tweaking to set it up. Still, you end up with eight variations of stacked sounds, which is nice to quickly change 'complex' sounds on stage. This way it could definitely be sensibly used and it only needs to be set up once for e.g. a particular song. |
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mosc
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject:
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I can see the logic, but I think it is flakey. It would be more useful - easier to use - if each global variation remembered the individual slot variations, not forced them all to one number. |
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Afro88
Joined: Jun 20, 2004 Posts: 701 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject:
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mosc wrote: | I can see the logic, but I think it is flakey. It would be more useful - easier to use - if each global variation remembered the individual slot variations, not forced them all to one number. |
That makes sense, as a variation in a normal patch is a record of the values of each parameter in said patch. In a performace, the variation number of each patch is a parameter, yeah? Makes sense then that the value of each patch variation should be stored in the global variation. But then you would need a seperate set of buttons for the global variations, otherwise it would get awfully confusing. |
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zynthetix
Joined: Jun 12, 2003 Posts: 838 Location: nyc
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:43 pm Post subject:
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jamos wrote: | If global parameter pages are active, then selecting a variation will select that variation for all slots.
- If global parameter pages are active, the copy/paste variation functions affect all four slots. |
From what I can tell, this is how it works and I really wish it didn't work like this. I have tried utilizing those buttons below the knobs as variation controls for individual patches in a performance utilizing global mode, so if I'd like to change a variation in one patch, I can go to a certain parameter page in global mode and do so. Haven't gotten past the reseting switches for this though...
[editor's note: I cleaned up your quote. When you want to manually add a quote and specify a name, you must enclose it in quotes. Dumb, i know, but I didn't right that part of the software. --mosc] |
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