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Rykhaard



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's somewhat cool to see some of the software coming out for the i-Phones. For me though - if I were cast off to some island all by myself and was given the choice between either:

- i-Phone with synth software etc.

or

- a bunch of CMOS chips and other parts / tools to make a noise machine

I'd easily pick the latter. Smile The simplicity of it all in building and the world of sounds and anti-music that you're able to create with it to me - is far more enjoyable than all of the technology available nowadays.

That's just my thots, tho. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Possibly because you are a hardware man rather than a software man.

I would like the iPhone/iTouch with a XCode 3 development environment then I could make anything if I had the time, and the desert island would give me that.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

iPassenger wrote:

I would love to try some of the OSC controller stuff (i think it would be awesome for the G2 and encourage me to use the iphone in the studio) but there doesn't seem to be an easy conversion of OSC to Midi controller data for the PC, damn those MAC Users!!! Unless anyone knows something I don't?


ChucK can do OSC to MIDI conversion easily enough - on the PC too.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BobTheDog wrote:
Possibly because you are a hardware man rather than a software man.

I would like the iPhone/iTouch with a XCode 3 development environment then I could make anything if I had the time, and the desert island would give me that.


I'm not too bad with programming either. But I love the physical connection of reaching out to plug something in or twist a knob. Wink

Side note as to another message above: I also far prefer the warmth of Gibson guitars compared to the Fenders. Colour doesn't matter a huge lot, tho. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Antimon wrote:
iPassenger wrote:

I would love to try some of the OSC controller stuff (i think it would be awesome for the G2 and encourage me to use the iphone in the studio) but there doesn't seem to be an easy conversion of OSC to Midi controller data for the PC, damn those MAC Users!!! Unless anyone knows something I don't?


ChucK can do OSC to MIDI conversion easily enough - on the PC too.

/Stefan


Also other things http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?highlight=puredata&t=33357
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Rykhaard wrote:

I'm not too bad with programming either. But I love the physical connection of reaching out to plug something in or twist a knob. Wink


Ah well maybe its me being bad at hardware then. I see the software side as also plugging things in, maybe the hardware is more immediate though. Concerning the Knobs thats what the iPhone is giving us isn't it, granted only a couple at a time, something like the Jazzmutant Lemur has a bit more space and you get that same feeling as a knob with controls that just cannot be represented in hardware like the MultiBall object.


Rykhaard wrote:

Side note as to another message above: I also far prefer the warmth of Gibson guitars compared to the Fenders. Colour doesn't matter a huge lot, tho. Wink]


I must admit Gibson guitars can sound pretty nice, but one of my favorite guitarists David Gilmour really only ever uses Strats and he makes them sound quite good. I have never owned either, I think they are overpriced and you can get much better guitars for the same sort of money. I have to disagree though colour is very important.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BobTheDog wrote:


I must admit Gibson guitars can sound pretty nice, but one of my favorite guitarists David Gilmour really only ever uses Strats and he makes them sound quite good. I have never owned either, I think they are overpriced and you can get much better guitars for the same sort of money. I have to disagree though colour is very important.


Doh! Embarassed Caught me. I completely forgot about David. He's one of my most favourite guitar players as well as composers, on the planet. Smile

Must be 1/2 awake or something as I now DO remember colour combo's that I DON'T like and of course, that'd reflect on stage. Razz Gold-sparkle?? puker
And on the opposite - red surrounded sunburst (Les Paul), is my fave colour combo. Smile Mmmmm ..... just had the thought of repainting my modular that way. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I love my hardware synths too, but having tried my hand at handheld synths on GameBoy and Palm Treo, I have an appreciation for musical toys that can be played while on the go.

I was joking about Les Pauls vs. Strats of course. I will admit though that my first couple of guitars were humbucker based because I wanted to sound like Pat Metheny. Nowadays, I prefer single coil sounds. They are simply more compatible with my "voice" on the guitar.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BobTheDog wrote:

I must admit Gibson guitars can sound pretty nice, but one of my favorite guitarists David Gilmour really only ever uses Strats and he makes them sound quite good. I have never owned either, I think they are overpriced and you can get much better guitars for the same sort of money. I have to disagree though colour is very important.


Red is better than green! Evil or Very Mad

Seriously, though when the time comes to get a really nice guitar, I'd probably get a Strat-style made by CP Thornton, Don Grosh, or Suhr (Scott Henderson model) rather than an actual Fender. Unless I suddenly become very rich, in which case I'll get an Aged Vintage Classic (Strat-clone) made by D'Pergo.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh yeah, we're right on topic here. Let me bring us back on course by saying that I want to rig up a geetar with an iTouch on it to do effects and touch screen stuff too. Of course you couldn't use an iPhone for this: "Ring, Ring!", "Oh, excuse me babe, my guitar is ringing.", "Hello?"...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Antimon wrote:
iPassenger wrote:

I would love to try some of the OSC controller stuff (i think it would be awesome for the G2 and encourage me to use the iphone in the studio) but there doesn't seem to be an easy conversion of OSC to Midi controller data for the PC, damn those MAC Users!!! Unless anyone knows something I don't?


ChucK can do OSC to MIDI conversion easily enough - on the PC too.

/Stefan


ChucK Idea

Has anyone posted an example on how to do this? Would be very helpful to a Noobie ChucKie.

There are PD files one can get for some of the OSC controllers. I used one, TouchOSC. It works but the touch pad through to the software seemed very slow. Not really satisfactory. Maybe ChucK would be a better choice.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Howard, the best way to learn about such thingies is to explore the examples directory that comes with your ChucK distribution. There are OSC examples and MIDI examples. Then it's just a matter of uniting them together. Kas or I or kij can do this for you if you have the need (or someone else)...

The examples are also available on the ChucK websites.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've done this often enough, so I might as well try to cook up an example. This transforms my 16x16 monome into 16 MIDI keyboards playing on the respective MIDI channels:

Code:
5 => int MIDI_DEVICE_AMOUNT;
2 => int MIDI_DEVICE;
MidiOut midiOuts[MIDI_DEVICE_AMOUNT];
for ( 0 => int i; i < MIDI_DEVICE_AMOUNT; i++) {
   if (midiOuts[i].open(i)) {
      <<< "Opened MIDI device #", i, ": ", midiOuts[i].name() >>>;
   } else {
      <<< "Could not open MIDI device ", i >>>;
   }
}

MidiMsg midiMsg;

fun void keyPressed(int x, int y) {
//      <<< "Press ", inMidiNote >>>;
   0x90 + y => midiMsg.data1;   // Note on + MIDI channel (sample)
   60 + x => midiMsg.data2;   // Note value
   127 => midiMsg.data3;   // velocity
   midiOuts[MIDI_DEVICE].send(midiMsg);
}

fun void keyReleased(int x, int y) {
//      <<< "Release ", inMidiNote >>>;
   0x80 + y => midiMsg.data1;   // Note off + MIDI channel (sample)
   60 + x => midiMsg.data2;   // Note value
   0 => midiMsg.data3;   // velocity
   midiOuts[MIDI_DEVICE].send(midiMsg);
}

OscRecv orec;
8000 => orec.port;
orec.listen();
orec.event("/osc2midi/press,i,i,i") @=> OscEvent pressEvent;
while (true) {
   pressEvent => now;
   while (pressEvent.nextMsg() != 0) {
      pressEvent.getInt() => int x;
      pressEvent.getInt() => int y;
      pressEvent.getInt() => int state;
      if (state == 1) {
         keyPressed(x, y);
      } else {
         keyReleased(x, y);
      }
   }
}


The monome sends OSC messages formatted according to the string "/osc2midi/press,i,i,i" (in my case this means x, y, and pressed/released state). You need to adapt this into what your OSC app sends. Then you can of course change the MIDI note on/offs (sent in keyPressed() and keyReleased()) into whatever you like.

I realise now that this might not be "fairly easy" to someone unfamiliar with programming... ChucK is based on C-style code, with the assignment (ChucK) operator => being the most blatant difference. Anyway, throw questions at the ChucK subforum.

/Stefan

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thank you Stefan, just what Howard asked for and in no time flat! Dang I love this community! Cheers!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks, Stefan, I will have time to try this out in a few days. I'm sure there will be many questions.

A little program like this will eventually bring a lot of attention to ChucK.

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No problem. It can be tweaked to accept OSC formats and MIDI device/channels/whatever as arguments... I think that would spawn more work though since it makes you want to generalize more. I usually just keep them like this and hack them to fit whatever purpose I have at the moment - maybe I want to send MIDI controls instead or have another mapping of OSC arguments.

I should point out that you can probably do it in a similar way in SuperCollider, CSound and others like them. I've only bothered to learn ChucK. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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why on earth you want to play a synthesizer with an iPhone


because i can
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Well I can lick a dogs arse if I want to, doesn't mean I would though.
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Eeeewwww!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BobTheDog wrote:
Well I can lick a dogs arse if I want to, doesn't mean I would though.


what is that Question British humour Question ROFL

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Well I can lick a dogs arse if I want to, doesn't mean I would though.


well now where i live you could not legally do that so........

oh wait, if i turn my amp up i guess i could not legally play my synth after 10 PM either. Thank God for sound proofing foam.
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BobTheDog wrote:
Well I can lick a dogs arse if I want to, doesn't mean I would though.


Why not? You're a dog. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

seraph wrote:
mosc wrote:
For a monthly fee, it is also a telephone, but that's optional.

WOW Exclamation



You can also buy the iPod Touch which is an iPhone - the phone part, still have most of the same features, touch control, + 8/16/32Gb of storage for music/pics wihtout the monthly fee.

I have the first gen iPod touch and just recently got the iTouch midi apps for touch-controlled mifi (that's a new acronym for Midi-Over-Wifi).

I think we are just now seeing the tip of the iceberg regarding touch-controlled everything with these platforms.

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I bought an iPod Touch for my wife last week. She wanted a spell checker. She still doesn't have a spell checker but I've got a new modular synth. Embarassed
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etherline wrote:
I bought an iPod Touch for my wife last week. She wanted a spell checker. She still doesn't have a spell checker but I've got a new modular synth. Embarassed


Did you check the AppStore?

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