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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:20 pm Post subject:
Το Τεσσερα, the difinitive VCA. |
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Το Τεσσερα, or Tessera, that means four (4)
The Tessera is a 4 SSM2164 VCAs, with linear response like Mike Irwin, with control over their offset or initial level. One signal IN, one CV IN, one switch per channel that allow to invert the signal before that it enter in the mixer, and the mixer give us, the direct outs of all the channels, 1,2,3 and 4, the sums of 1+2, ALL, 3+4 and 3+4’.
It is a very useful module that it is able to process AC signals and DC signals. It is very clean, start to distort the signals over 20V peak to peak. You can control, manual and with voltage, the amplitude of the signal, sum, split and invert, so also subtract signals.
With fast attack envelope times and processing low frequency signals, appears a noticeable “click”, for mi is OK solving it with more slow attack envelope times. You can also, smooth the click with more big value in the capacitor C3 (and C7, C11, C15). But it compromises the response when AC is introduced in the CV to modulate the main signal.
Also you have the option of configure two capacitors with one switch like did Serenadi. You can read this in this interesting discussion: http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-9134.html
I’m very happy with this project because I did the whole process. This was a very enriching experience: The circuit, the tests in the breadboard, the PCB layout (by hand), the PCB, the front panel layout, the front panel by hand also, all.
I designed it observing mainly the Quad VCA by Marc Bareille, also the 21st century VCA by Thomas Henry and the documentation of Analog Devices, and of course the article of Mike Irwin. I added also the protected power supply IN that are in the Magsmoke PCBs.
http://www.edn.com/article/CA233728.html
http://m.bareille.free.fr/modular1/quadvca.pdf
http://www.magsmoke.com/thomas_henry_books.asp
http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/SSM2164.pdf
Thanks to Marc Bareille, Tim Servo and also to Thomas Henry, Mike Irwin, to those that answered my questions in this forum and all you.
So here I attach the schematics, the PCB layouts and the pictures, notice that I can only invert two channels, I adapted it for Eurorack without compromising the ergonomics of the front panel. The prototype had 4 switches and it not was very comfortable for me. Although that bypassing the two inverters in the PCB would be enough I did also a PCB layout version with only two inverters. I still not finished the parts placement documentation.
I hope that it will be interesting for all you.
Oscar.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject:
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PCBs LAYOUT:
You need both for one Tessera. Thought for assamble both in sandwich.
UPDATED DOCUMENTATION:
Components Placement, Bill Of Materials, Schematics, Biblography.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject:
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PICTURE UPDATED. Last edited by Sound on Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:23 am; edited 5 times in total |
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:56 pm Post subject:
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| ops! devlopers corner. maybe I had to post it in the main DIY forum? |
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject:
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| Sound wrote: | | ops! devlopers corner. maybe I had to post it in the main DIY forum? |
Ok, moved it. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject:
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that's very nice. i still have some ssm ICs in the drawer...
congrats. _________________
cheers,
matthias
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject:
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| fonik wrote: | that's very nice. i still have some ssm ICs in the drawer...
congrats. |
Thanks Fonik! Is a good module for two SSM2164, I will post the components placement documentation. |
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TekniK

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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject:
Re: Το Τεσσερα, the difinitive VCA. |
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| Sound wrote: |
With fast attack envelope times and processing low frequency signals, appears a noticeable “click”, for mi is OK solving it with more slow attack envelope times.
Oscar. |
ow,rejection,thats not good buddy |
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Sound
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject:
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Ei TeKnik!
I mentioned it because I wondered about when I was breadboarding the circuit, and linked that thread because i thought that was interesting.
All the VCAs, respond with a click when they receive a fast attack. Isnt it?
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject:
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| Sound wrote: | Ei TeKnik!
All the VCAs, respond with a click when they receive a fast attack. Isnt it?
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hi,no it means its a bad design (no offence)
sometimes it might be cool that click but mostly not,the RSF kobol did have that also in his vca.
maybe check the vca shematic based on the same chip on the emulator archives site (look in 'project notes'
modcan use the same vca chips also,and i have no click here  |
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject:
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:26 am Post subject:
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| TekniK wrote: | | hi,no it means its a bad design (no offence) |
This is just your opinion. By the way, without foundation.
If you would have read my first post you would have seen that increasing the value of the feedback capacitor of the opamp related to the control voltage solves this issue.
I simply prefer increase the attack time of the envelope. That is the nature of the low frequency sounds.
| Quote: | | maybe check the vca shematic based on the same chip on the emulator archives site (look in 'project notes' |
This confused me more, why you pointed me to the emulator archives site?
Seems that you not even have seen the schematics. If you would have did it you would have noticed that it has the same core than the linear section of the emulator archives 2164 based VCA. As well all the Mike Irwin SSM2164 based VCA I have seen at.
The same core that I have breadboard with the same click.
At low sine frequencies and with fast attack envelope you can appreciate a little click.
They are bad designs because this also? I believe not.
Regards.
Edit: I wrote "reduce" instead of "increase". Last edited by Sound on Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:28 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:32 am Post subject:
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| Sound wrote: | At low sine frequencies and with fast attack envelope you can appreciate a little click.
They are bad designs because this also? I believe not. |
You are right Sound, it is not bad design, its how physics works ... it could be minimized by making the attack curve follow an S shaped curve, but still if you make it fast enough it will result in a click. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:38 am Post subject:
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | You are right Sound, it is not bad design, its how physics works ... |
Well, there are two different effect to look at here. The first is CV feedthrough rejection. This is easy enough to measure directly, if you want to. The biggest problem is that this is generally dependent on the bias amount, so it's impossible to get rid of entirely. I believe the 2164 is quite good in this respect.
The second effect is indeed the physics. If a Sin wave is turned on instantaneously the Fourier spectrum contains all frequencies. Simple as that, Teknik. What do you base your statement that it is a bad design on? Perhaps you could show us your VCA design? Then we could compare.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:45 am Post subject:
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| frijitz wrote: | | Well, there are two different effect to look at here. |
Thanks for pointing that out Ian, my "softsynth deviation" makes me forget about non ideal CV behavior. _________________ Jan
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject:
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| Sound wrote: | | TekniK wrote: | | hi,no it means its a bad design (no offence) |
This is just your opinion. By the way, without foundation.
If you would have read my first post you would have seen that increasing the value of the feedback capacitor of the opamp related to the control voltage solves this issue.
I simply prefer increase the attack time of the envelope. That is the nature of the low frequency sounds.
| Quote: | | maybe check the vca shematic based on the same chip on the emulator archives site (look in 'project notes' |
This confused me more, why you pointed me to the emulator archives site?
Seems that you not even have seen the schematics. If you would have did it you would have noticed that it has the same core than the linear section of the emulator archives 2164 based VCA. As well all the Mike Irwin SSM2164 based VCA I have seen at.
The same core that I have breadboard with the same click.
At low sine frequencies and with fast attack envelope you can appreciate a little click.
They are bad designs because this also? I believe not.
Regards.
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Look buddy,
i did not need to watch the shematic,this it the vca from the emu archieve i built,there is no click not in linear or exponential mode nor with
sine at very low or high frequency,it works perfect,i just now did test this again.
Good luck with your project!
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject:
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| TekniK wrote: |
Look buddy,
i did not need to watch the shematic,this it the vca from the emu archieve i built,there is no click not in linear or exponential mode nor with
sine at very low or high frequency,it works perfect,i just now did test this again.
Good luck with your project!
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Of course it works perfectly.
I breadboard it because I breadboard mine, (are the same core) and it has click.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject:
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| TekniK wrote: | there is no click not in linear or exponential mode nor with
sine at very low or high frequency,it works perfect,i just now did test this again. |
Impossible, unless the attack rate is somehow limited. Are you saying that if you put DC into the Audio In and a square wave into the CV In you hear nothing?
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject:
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I did more tests, seems it indeed depends what kind of envelope curve u use.
I did first test with my modcan/serge-like adsr wich has a swith to select the responce of the curve.
With the attack set in log. mode there is NO CLICKS whatsever the signal feeded into the vca,its when i changed modes u can barely sometimes hear clicks indeed depending the settings of the stages,also with squarewave as control i indeed have clicks.
But overal the rejection is realy very low,and appears only when u use a short adsr (no decay or release),otherwise i still don't have clicks even with the attack at minimum. |
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:28 am Post subject:
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Hello all,
I Added in the second post of this thread the documentation of the Tessera.
Hope you like it,
Regards! |
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| thanks, this looks like a great design! I'm adding this to my list of modules to make for sure! |
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:40 am Post subject:
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| epk wrote: | | thanks, this looks like a great design! I'm adding this to my list of modules to make for sure! |
Epk, glad to hear that! If you have any question let me know. Ill be very happy to see a new Tessera around  |
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