G2 needs to be more expressive...

jksuperstar · Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject:

Ok, time to through in my 2 brain cells. I think the G2 IS. it already is. So adding external controls is realtively cheap, painless, and provides the expression anybody needs.

What I'd like for expression, is a more indepth sequencer section, with better delays (I like playing with MIDI effects like multi-tap delays), and maybe even a few sampler-related modules. Things that are fairly simple tasks, but require too much DSP power for what they should with the given module set. For me, that makes things expressive. I'm a drummer, not a keyboardist, so tweaking and programming tools are what I like. Some type of grainular synth might be fun to play with, especially in the modular environment.

Then again, maybe I just need some DSP expansion modules. And where's that "Sampler Expansion module" I asked for?

Sander_k · Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject:

I asked the same type of question on synthforum.nl as the TS here on Electro-music, and Wout basically said that i shouldn't consider the G2 literally as a true succesor of the G1, but rather as a completely new piece of synth, I believe he's right.

I sold my G1 to step-over to the G2 and continue where i left off on the G1 but got some (minor) disappointments similar to TS. But also alot of improved ones... But i expected an improved G1 in the G2 too much, while people who are new to the Clavia thing will not make these comparissons.

I read that someone wanted to control 1 button on 2 pages, you can achieve that by assigning that button to a page and make it morph assignable.
Then you assign that morph button to another page and it's done Smile

I know it's not a solution but it works. In some cases where you have a modulation input free, you can use a constant module(assigned to another page) on it to achieve the same

btw, looking at the server time, it must be located somewhere in the middle-east Rolling Eyes

Wout Blommers · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:44 am Post subject:

mosc · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:33 am Post subject:

Sander_k · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:58 am Post subject:

Briljant Wout, thanks for the supporting info

Thanks Mosc

elektro80 · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:16 am Post subject:

mosc · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:51 am Post subject:

Iraq is the same size as California. We can hide the server for years just like Sadam's boys hide those WMDs, no problem.

elektro80 · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:53 am Post subject:

OK.. I am calm now. I am very calm now. I am absolutely at ease. I promise.

Wout Blommers · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:11 am Post subject:

Rob · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:51 pm Post subject:

zynthetix · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject:

i have joined on the BCR-2000 bandwagon (should be getting a package within the week). between the G2 and the bcr, i will have 42 knobs and 16 buttons of immediate expressiveness Cool

Unfed · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject:

actually there's four more buttons on the BCR in the lower right corner, and the eight knobs up top double as buttons as well. i think you'll be very happy w/ the BCR. haven't gotten too into setting it up yet, but the layout is the best i've seen on any midi controller. then again, there's always the feeling that i'm 'flying blind' without labelling the controls. wish it had more than 32 memory slots though...

Afro88 · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject:

zynthetix · Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject:

Unfed · Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:36 pm Post subject:

ThreeFingersOfLove · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:

Hi,

G2X++ is an instrument that looks more like a "synthesizer". 8 knobs for a so-called modular is a joke. Period. Regardless of whether you can control another parameter with the press of a button.

Placing LEDs around buttons is catchy. Confused

All Clavia instruments evolve from left to right. (Maximization of the money they make - good and bad at the same time).

Personally I don't like either the quality or the "layout" of the interface. For what it offers - hardware wise - the NM2 is expensive. Again maximization of the money they make - or so it seems.

Performance instrument? Well no - not for me anyway. I prefer the G2X++. Frankly, I am not interested in seeing a new version of the editor. I am not interested in seeing a new fancy module at all. We already have more than enough. What I am interested in seeing is a synthesizer with a really nice interface, with lots of knobs and sliders. Build like a tank.

Oh, something else... lol... is this a red synthesizer? Think about it.

Smile

Yannis

Unfed · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:37 am Post subject:

^^ intersting, though i don't really agree w/ the 'attack' on the G2 interface as it is.

imagine an 8u(?) rackmount or tabletop unit that was just a bunch of rows of assignable controllers like those that are used on the G2. impliment micro-tuning so that all those crying about the G2 being locked into the 12 notes per octave limitation can be satisfied and i think you'd be hard-pressed to find a better synth overall. here's to hoping they do something like this...

ThreeFingersOfLove · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:54 am Post subject:

It's rather a comment expressing dissapointment - not an angry one.

Yannis
Smile

Kassen · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:26 am Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:49 am Post subject:

cebec · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:03 am Post subject:

there was a microtuning 'tip' posted on clavia.se awhile ago for the G2. anybody remember what it said or where it is?

Ah, I see it was a patch by Palle. And I found the thread on microtuning. Anyway, just hopin' we see that in the near future...

monokit · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:05 am Post subject:

Ugh, I just read this thread for the first time. I sold my NM1 long ago to finance some other stuff, knowing that I'd get the G2 anyway. I always loved the more experimental, direct in-yer-face sounds of the NM1 (I just couldn't handle the poor hardware interface). I also prefer the NL1/NL2 over the NL3 for the same reason. The NL3 is way too mellow for my taste.

And now I read the G2 is a modular version of the NL3, sound wise. :(
I still haven't bought one, but had planned to stuff my studio with G2s.

So is this all true? Is the G2 indeed not good at doing the raw, experimental stuff? Is it indeed relatively thin sounding, due to the boost in the highs?

This is a shock for me. Perfect features, but not the right sound...

ThreeFingersOfLove · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:35 am Post subject:

Hi,

Sound per se has always been somewhat a problem for NM1 and NM2. With very careful and clever programming you can work wonders but this is going to take a lot of time. If you take a single Clavia oscillator and a single, say... Moog oscillator, well... you will notice the difference.

Smile

monokit · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:05 am Post subject:

Rob · Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:21 am Post subject: