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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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DJ- I like the idea. Not too sure about the ensuing mega-volcano though Shocked Although I'm sure you'd get even richer on the out spuing of diamonds bigger than your wildest dreams! Laughing

Well, I was thinking that we just crack old mother earth in two halves. I.e. the ultimate fracking operation. That way we get to the riches without delay or hindrance, and there will be no volcanoes to mess things up. You'll have to visit the other hemisphere by spaceship, but that just adds to the fun...

(it was actually meant to illustrate the utter madness of fracking, particularly in residential areas)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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You'll have to visit the other hemisphere by spaceship


I´m pretty sure that one has been patented by Halliburton already. Idea

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Split the earth in two? That's actually a really good idea! We could put all the free thinking and creative types on one side, and all the accountants and telephone sanitisers on the other! Idea Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

^ Using the orange-sectioning model, we could accommodate even more fracktions on the numerous wedges. (geddit? geddit? Razz)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

couldn't we slice Earth like a big lemon instead of dividing it in two hemispheres? Idea
at least each slice would be flat Wink

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That was actually my initial idea. Idea

But what about the gravity pull from the earth and moon? I reckon we should mine the moon so there is nothing left of it, and hey presto! No gravitational pull. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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But what about the gravity pull from the earth and moon?


Insignificant and fluctuating details Cool

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It would pull the ocean off into space, and all the surfers and sub aquatic divers (as well as a glut of electro-producers who praise Drexciya) could wobble off and on, producing an entire new world made from water.

Of course the honeymoon period wouldn't be very long, as the water would constantly freeze, then boil, and freeze and boil- forever, probably turning into a comet........ Exclamation

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Diesel's now up to £1.45 a litre Shocked
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Well, I'm one of the Pennsylvania faction, and I should probably mostly keep my mouth shut on this issue, cause of where I work.

But I'll say this much...

Fracking is not new. It's something that's been in practice for 50+ years. But not in Pennsylvania, and for the most part, for oil and not natural gas. It was never worth it until recently.

It's definitely an industry with a big environmental impact, and one that crosses over into a lot of different environmental 'mediums'. There's issues related to where all this water's being taken from in the first place, disposal of the waste water, erosion/runoff impact from all the increased construction activity, air impact from all the equpment needed to process and move the gas, and that's not even talking about the whole gas migration / flaming tap water issue that things like 'Gasland' use so vividly.

Like any other industry, there are good actors and bad actors, people trying to skimp and cheat, and people trying to do the right thing and manage their impact in a responsible way. I consider myself pretty liberal, and I'm not up in arms over fracking. It's a technology and an entire industry with the potential for a lot of environmental impact, and it's one that should be highly regulated. One that IS highly regulated. Is it regulated as well as i'd like or as it could be? Maybe, maybe not. It's definitely been a moving target in a lot of ways. But one that gets a lot of attention.

That's my $.02...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Good post Adam Smile

It's all very well joking about these things, but we do have a serious crisis going on right now concerning fuel, and although I agree we're not going to be able to carry on extracting oil and gas forever, at least this could provide a temporary solution until we find a better, more efficient way of powering the world.

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Absolutely. Obviously, continuing to just burn all the fossil fuels we feel like is not going to be a long term solution. But there's a LOT of sources of oil and gas out there that improved technology has turned into viable options that wouldn't have been 10 or 20 or 50 years ago...

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I've just read that ALDI have withdrawn from Greece. The Albanian migrant workers are also leaving the country as are many other citizens, all trying to get out while they can.

Technologies such as fracking may cause a few middle class environmentalist groups to throw their arms up in protest (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-14431512), but with a whole nation currently facing rock bottom, a technology such as this could be a lifeline.

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Well, as the fracking industry is part of a much larger ecosystem, you wouldn´t be feeding the cute little piglets you´d think you´d be feeding by letting it roam the countryside looking for prey.

We´ve actually been there a few times already. Feeding the banks didn´t really save anything. It can be argued that by not feeding it a rescue meal would have left a huge nasty carcass that would have been very annoying to get rid of.

Saving Greece is sadly less about saving Greece, but rather about distributing the cost in a way that it does less harm to the global financial sector.

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It just needs much better regulation. Get rid of the cowboys etc.

And all these idiots on Wall Street having a go at the bankers, should really be having a go at governments, as it is governments who set the rules- the same rules and regs which could be set with fracking.


The point that you are totally missing is that the bankers and corporations FUCKING OWN the government.They get to tell them (with great success) what laws to pass or not.Our wonderful Supreme Court ruled that corporations are PEOPLE and as such have a right to free speech which the can manifest by giving as much money as they want to political campaigns.They control the media and they control the debate.They cut education so that most people are too stupid to do the critical thinking needed to realize they're being fed propaganda.They get the legislature to do things like cut the EPA budget in Pennsylvania by 25% and lay off hundreds so that they CAN'T do their jobs.(Didn't bother watching THAT video did you?)The corporations aren't going to accept "doing it the right way" because it cuts into their profits,so they get the politicians to relax regulation just like they did with the financial industry under Reagan which is largely responsible for the worldwide economic shitstorm we're enduring right now.THAT'S what those "idiots" as you refer to them are protesting.They're focusing on economic disparity,but it's really the exact same issue.Corporations OWN the government in this country.It's much the same in yours and all the others,but it's on steroids in the U.S.
That's why the regulation that MIGHT fix the problems (unlikely) is NOT likely to happen.You have to get campaign finance reform through and that's like getting a heroin addict to vote for poppy eradication.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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The point that you are totally missing is that the bankers and corporations FUCKING OWN the government.


No. you are missing the point! (and please don't shout. It's no way to make an argument).

Bankers and corporations, do not own the government. We, the people own governments! This is a democracy!

We allow govenrments to get away with allowing big corporations and governments to shit all over us. Don't vote? No change! Going out and shouting at Wall Street won't change anything at all. (and If it will change anything at all it will be governemnts taking even more liberties away from us).

The way to change the way governments behave, and therefore create new rules that stop bankers and large corporations behaving in the way they behave is to get out there and change politics. Go and form new governments- as a collective, through changing politics- and that means lots of proper campaigning, where you eventually end up as a party in the White house. Right now, ranting at working class folk on Wall street will change nothing.

If you choose not to vote, and many don't, you will change nothing, and these corporations will carry on thinking that it is alright to carry on shitting on your head.

You can start by spoiling your ballot paper. A spoilt ballot paper is a clear indication that you are a citizen who wants to be counted, but who is fed up with the current situation.

Next, go out and find others who will form a new party.

Also read Immanuel Kant's essay on private and public reason.

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/kant.html

As for "occupy wall street", and the same for those posh Sloane toffs in London's 'comun-i-ee' with their 'mockney' accents (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mockney) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloane_Ranger), meet Edward T. Hall III.

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then there is Jimmy Vivona;

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Jimmy Vivona, 40, wore a smart blue pinstripe suit, a conservative red-and-blue striped tie and good shoes. He had neat hair and a close shave. He has caught glimpses of the protesters on walks during his lunch break.

Mr. Vivona grew up in a working-class family on Staten Island and now lives in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, with his wife and two young children. He has been a stockbroker for 17 years, works “13- or 14-hour days” and has done well for himself on Wall Street.


There is your working class man. Jimmy Vivona, a man who's grown up in a working class area hoping for a far better future. OTOH, Mr Hall, rich, privelidged and educated. Not a worry in the world Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Good points, but that doesn´t change the fact that the corporations in more than one way own the governments. In many cases the governments are held hostage .. and the voters too.

I think it is valid to see the occupy Wall Street movement as a sort of constructive dissent / direct action.

Howard Zinn on direct action:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/NonViol_DirectAction_HZOH.html

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In many cases the governments are held hostage .. and the voters too.



Yes, but the bottom line is that they will change if the people have a strong enough movement with a very focussed objective. Right now, the Occupy movement has no clear objective, and no clear movement. It's all far too wooly.

We could if we wanted to, vote a completely new government in. We do have the power. But a very large majority can't "be arsed", because they feel "nothing will change". Very counter productive. So these people will continue to shit on us- from all directions!

We still, but only just, have free speech.

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Yes, but the bottom line is that they will change if the people have a strong enough movement with a very focused objective. Right now, the Occupy movement has no clear objective, and no clear movement. It's all far too woolly.

We could if we wanted to, vote a completely new government in. We do have the power. But a very large majority can't "be arsed", because they feel "nothing will change". Very counter productive. So these people will continue to shit on us- from all directions!

We still, but only just, have free speech.


I agree on all points.

I have asked several times regarding OWS: "Suppose you knock The Man down. Then what?" Nobody has provided a clear answer. OWS is a good thing, but it's a foundation, not the object built on it. The movement needs some architects with long-term vision and clear goals supported by specific plans, along with backup plans B, C and D.

As for people not being arsed, I can see from my window it's even more basic than that - people just can't be arsed because they're too busy with the details of their own lives of the moment. There's nothing wrong with that, but you got to look up now and then to see what's really going on, especially if you want something different. Staring at the corner and wishing for a different corner doesn't change anything.
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OWS is a good thing, but it's a foundation, not the object built on it.


I'm afraid I beg to differ. The OWS is not a good thing simply because there was never a clear objective. Nor was the OWS backed up by any solid political foundation.

Unless there is a clear political objective, OWS is already dead in the water, unfortunately.

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Sorry to be shouty,should have used italics instead.
I don't know about any other cities,but the Occupy Cleveland has had some organizational meetings.I think it's possible for something to grow out of this if the energy doesn't dissipate.If nothing else it got some people thinking that wouldn't have otherwise.
While I do vote,it's really a 2 party system.The deck is stacked against any 3rd party candidates.Your choice is between bad or worse,so you have to vote for bad in hopes you don't get worse.The worst thing is to not vote because your candidate isn't liberal enough and/or didn't (couldn't) do everything you expected from him.We've had some of that here,I suspect it helped us get where we are.
It's going to be an interesting winter,I'll say that.

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And that kid in the video was clearly either off his meds or on them. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

One indication that OWS may be having an effect is the fact that authorities see it fit to shoot rubber bullets at the protesters.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Antimon wrote:
One indication that OWS may be having an effect is the fact that authorities see it fit to shoot rubber bullets at the protesters.


Good point.

Another possibility is that all the protesters are of the SDIY persuasion and this calls for a lead free ROHS compliant environment. Idea

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