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SN voice shrink dip question....
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:29 am    Post subject:  SN voice shrink dip question....
Subject description: 76477 sockets .?...
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Hi! Steve (MUbase) here..

I am happy to say thay yesterday I recieved the SN Voice PCB (Thanks to Bill!!) AND the 76477 chip at the same time!! ( One from USA one from China.)

The 76477 I have is a Phillipines SDip and not the cockroach style..
I was wondering whether it is possible to get the Socket for these sizes anywhere anymore but if not can I just solder the chip to the board without one..??
I understand the risks involved but I'm an OK solderer. Had plenty of experience... Smile
Thanks . : ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That socket is not hard to find, google for it and you'll find lots. Sure you can do without but the "risks" if you could call them that, revolve more around issues of diagnostics and repair than anything else. Not long after I build my SN Voice I had an issue with another module that uses the same IC and it sure was nice to be able to easily swap ICs between the two whilst troubleshooting. If I had soldered the ICs in, swapping them would have been one of the last diagnostics I would have tried.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:04 pm    Post subject: Not the usual... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks but I don't know..?! This isn't a usual 28 pin ( like Arduino and Pic) nor is is the usual wide body... I couldn't find anything on ebay and the only place I could find was digikey but they are £5.82 each??? Could you point me in the right direction??

It is 0.070" pitch and 10.16mm width spacing.... "Shrink dip" hmmm...
If it's too much hassle I will just solder applying just enough heat...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

you could try using 2 x SIL machined sockets
any width is possible to accommodate then, just make sure you solder them in nice and vertical.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I also had a bit of fun finding a shrink DIP socket of the right size at the right cost.

In the end, I bought one of these:

http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/64-Way-Shrink-dip-Socket-22-1706/?sid=850a6c1e-acd7-44d1-a82e-59132521668

And cut it up with a hacksaw to make a couple of Shrink DIP SIL strips.

Worked fine for me. I even managed to install a couple of normal DIP strips (with a bit of judicious filing) so that I use either style chip in the same board.

Hope this helps

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: Not the usual... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

MuBase wrote:
Thanks but I don't know..?! This isn't a usual 28 pin ( like Arduino and Pic) nor is is the usual wide body... I couldn't find anything on ebay and the only place I could find was digikey but they are £5.82 each??? Could you point me in the right direction??

It is 0.070" pitch and 10.16mm width spacing.... "Shrink dip" hmmm...
If it's too much hassle I will just solder applying just enough heat...
Smile


Sorry, I may have misunderstood. Do you also mean that the pin spacing of your chip doesn't match either footprint on the PCB, in which case you need not just a socket but a socket that is also an adapter?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:13 am    Post subject: Chip filts board but socket hard to find... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well! It fits on the board ( small size ) BUT the socket is a bastard to find.. ( £4.02 from digikey which I thought was alright until I saw the £12.00 shipping cost!!!). RS online do them if you want a tube of 24 for £29.00!!! ( i even phoned up RS and asked if they would sell me one but no. ). Then I thought about buying a tube and flogging the rest on Ebay but that would take forever.....
Then I came back to here and saw the excellent idea of HACKing said shrink dip item to fit from magman!
So I think the HACKsaw it is!!

Thanks ( again ) Magman.!.!.
I'll post the results....;0)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm kind of surprised (but I certainly take your word for it) because when I've used these chips, I just had the sockets in my parts bin already, don't even know where or when I got 'em.

Sawing down a DIP socket sounds good enough alright.

This thread has me thinking, though, that the next time I buy parts in bulk I will order some SIL strips as insurance against the perils of overconfidence in my parts bin. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:25 am    Post subject: The joys of the HAckSaW
Subject description: magic 64 pin turns into 28 pin...
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Hi! I got the 64SDIP yesterday from the Netherlands and have taken MAGMAN's brilliant advice, hacksawing down to 2x14 pin, 0.4" width. Now she's soldered in and the 76477 fits beautifully. Fantastic idea. Thanks! thumb up

The result is shown below....


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

received some sn voice boards just before xmas
and finally got to checking my sn chips which i had stashed away
will have to follow magmans suggestion also it seems

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

For information, here's a detail shot of one of my SN-Voice PCB's with both sockets installed for the SN76477.

It just needed the removal of the central web and a little careful filing of the larger socket to get it to fit.

Regards

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