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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:38 am    Post subject: CA3080 on ebay
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I ordered some CA3080E ICs from ebay in anticipation of a new project.

However, in the photo was a Harris IC, but what arrived wasn't. I don't know how to test these without building the next project, but the PCBs haven't even been manufactured yet.

Below are photos of the IC advertised and the ones that arrived.

the seller "vila_restor" has 100% feedback, but in the comments only people are saying how the delivery times were good, nothing about the actual product functionality.

I know he's a UK seller, but I'm wondering if he bought a stock batch from china and selling them on. These are certainly not the Harris ones advertised.

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The current stock is Harris branded.

...unless Harris logo changed to a letter 'i'

Has anyone else had experience with this seller?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I found a photo of an intersil (which is what the logo appears to be on the chips that arrived). However, it looks quite different...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That's the Intersil logo, which is who owned this design after Harris. I believe there is one more rev (visually) out there as well, but can't remember off the top of my head. That doesn't guarantee that they're good, but this is a proper part/logo. I have both of these types (Intersil/Harris) DIP package versions. There is also a metal can type, but I'm not sure what the markings on those are.

Edit: I see what you mean on the difference between the Intersil logos in those photos. I can take a look at what I have when I get home from work tonight, and tell you what mine look like.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I believe the logo is an "H". Looks exactly like some I have.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I got a few off ebay a few months ago. They were marked Harris and were DOA or fake. But to their credit they sent a new batch of chips with the Intersil marking and they seemed to work great.

I wouldn't be overly concerned about the graphics not looking exactly the same. My guess is that the silk screening is pretty easy to fake anyway. Breadboard something and see if it works. Smallbear sells them too by the way I think I'll go that route next time just to avoid the hassle. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have a handful of archaic chips and there are vast differences between logos for the same company and the text.
As advised by forshee, test them to see.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

is there a simple circuit to test these? or just whip up a vca and test them "in situ"?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i buy my CA3080s here and thy work perfect

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170586865706#ht_2743wt_1216

i think i had only 1 faulty in a pack of 50
but not fake
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There are a bunch app notes in the data sheet if I recall. Otherwise just drop in anything you have socketed.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I had a suspicion that I have also been recently supplied with some fake Harris CA3080E's so today I built a test circuit on my breadboard that I found from one of the Elektor Formant articles (Actually the 24dB VCF, as this works best with 4 matched 3080's).

The circuit works great, but I appear to have been supplied with 30 fakes from what I had hoped was a reputable supplier (I've dropped them a note to see how they will respond to this issue, so I won't name them at present).

I'm going to knock up a Veroboard version of this test circuit, as I expect it will be very useful in the future. I'll post it on here once I've worked it out, but check out the Elektor article if you want to test your own IC's more quickly (It was in the Elektor Formant book that is available from a few sources on the web)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK, here goes with a first draft of the OTA Tester on Veroboard.

I've only just drawn this, I will be building it and testing it later.

The Original text from the Elektor Article is as follows:
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A test circuit for OTA's is attached. This should be fed with a sinewave of about 2V peak-to-peak (or 0.7V measured on an AC Voltmeter) from a signal generator or from one of the VCO's. The output should be monitored on a 'scope or AC Voltmeter. With a control current of 100uA, measured on the multimeter in series with R5, the output voltage should be between 0.7V and 1.3V peak-to-peak.

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The circuit can also be used to check the linearity of the transconductance v.control current characteristics of the OTA's, e.g. doubling the control current should double the output of the test circuit and halving the test current should halve the output.


A few issues I found when testing this on my breadboard is that most of my multimeters don't actually measure down to 10's of uA, so you may have to be a little less precise in this measurement depending on your meters. Also, I was able to test this with a multimeter and a scope, but if you haven't got a scope you are likely to need 2 meters, as the uA meter needs to stay in-circuit for the tests. This uA meter connection is also quite critical, if you don't have a good connection here, the circuit won't work.

Last but no means least, you can mount VR1 off board if you want. I actually used a 15-turn preset here, for a degree of precision when setting the test current, though this was a little slow to change when testing the linearity.

Hope you find this useful.

Magman


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