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Weak MIDI OUT velocity from G2
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Errr.....?
Step aside Kofi Annan - Kassen is here.
Mind you, those velocity curves can be pretty contentious. Didn't World War I start because Archduke Franz Ferdinand fell out with Narodna Odbrana over this very issue?

(Apologies to remaining E-M users for another flippant posting, but I'm crap at patching, so I don't really have anything else to contribute. And Kassen won't see this posting, because he has forsaken us. UNLESS YOU'RE LYING, KASSEN??? COME ON, WE KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS. You can check out any time you want, but you can never leave.)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Come on, Angus, let's not get into this kind of thing. Please...

Kassen makes some interesting points about E-M and Mosc which I split off to a topic on the electro-music.com forum: http://electro-music.com/forum/post-37102.html

Kassen, I'm glad you took the time to rephrase your ideas and thoughts. Thanks...

If we can get back to the subject, perhaps there are still things we can discuss about the scaling of the velocity on the G2.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Fair enough, Mosc.
Just a light hearted dig, that's all. It's just that people get so worked up over the strangest things and threads just descend into these enormous diatribes on "keyboardists" vs. "synthesists" etc. I learn quite a lot from this forum, but if there are any pearls of wisdom contained in postings that run for the length of my screen, I'm pretty sure 99% of people will never waste their time reading them...
Just a thought.
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(Oh, and I'm British - I know no other way but sarcasm.)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, most people probably don't read this stuff, and a big percentage of those that do may misunderstand it.

I love sarcasm, but it is sometimes misunderstood. This particular topic at this particular time is probably not the best place for it. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

this must be the end of this thread: one of the contenders vanished, another one changed identity and canceled his posts.
As we say in Italy: "after a dead pope another one will follow" Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well then if it's over, let me say something about Angus's post, claiming that being British compels one to sarcasm. With all due respect, I have traveled to England and did enjoy a lot of sarcasm there, but the Brits ain't got nothin' on the Italians, and I'm not even thinking of Carlo. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have several times almost posted something in this thread. For some reason the thread changed everytime I had something to say.

In order to get back to the topc, I will state that I find most of the ideas here valid in the sense that whatever you want to use the velocity for will be fine with me. As far as I know midi velocity data did not kill the pope. Those rumours are false.

Keyboard controllers are great. If you want something else, buy somthing else or build it.

A global velocity curve is cool. Implementing this in a way that makes sense to traditional keyboardists is smart. This will recruit more users and make the modular concept more mainstream. That said, why not implement global velocity curves in a way that allows you to have your own sets for brass, brass 2, strings, piano and whatever. When you make a patch you can choose to use some if these settings or make a setting inside the patch that does not use any of the presets. As for patch export, this can be handled in various ways that can solve the problem that your "strings1" is not the same as my "strings1". This can be solved easy.

If this will not quite do, then make your own velocity curve thingie inside the patch. Kassen suggested many methods and approches and these were pretty cool ideas.

As for keyboard controllers being limited in expression, this is of course true but this hasn?t stoppped me yet from making music. I guess at some point I am focused on the actual composition rather than the gear. I love the gear, but at some point it also becomes a meta-layer. The music is what this is really about.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
I am lazy - I admit it. Sometimes I work long hours on some things to avoid doing things I'd rather not do.

There is nothing wrong with being lazy in this regard. It is the concept that object oriented languages are based upon. Why code something more than once when you can make an object that will perform that task simply and easily every time the need arises for it? Why patch the same "building block" countless times when it could be globally controlled one knob?
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