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Editing the Nord Modular (G1 & G2) on a Microsoft Surface
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Editing the Nord Modular (G1 & G2) on a Microsoft Surface Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Video and more at http://www.matrixsynth.com/2013/10/clavia-nord-modular-and-g2-editors.html
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the info,

I am thinking about buying this tablet for editing my Nord G2 : http://www.dell.com/learn/ca/en/cadhs1/campaigns/dell-venue-tablets-dhs-ca

Its 300 $
With a pen it should be ok i guess.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Make sure it's not actually Windows RT. That price is insanely cheap. Note it says "Take the full power of Windows 8 and Office Home & Student 2013 wherever you go" It implies the full version of Windows 8 but it could just as easily mean the full power of Windows 8 in general and have RT loaded. Are they legally required to specify if it is RT? If you can confirm what it's running let us know. I'd dig further but don't have the time at the moment.

I'm curious if the original Surface Pro will go further down in price now that the Surface Pro 2 is out. If the Dell runs full Windows, I'd also be curious how Absynth and Reaktor run on it. Whatever I end up getting, I think I'd want it to run other synths as well. If it can't run them, $300 for the Dell would essentially be a $300 coupon towards something that could.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes its running full version of Windows 8.1 and the tablet is receiving very good reviews (i was surprise too Smile)

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/dell/59202-venue-8-pro-owner-s-lounge-6.html

Anyway its a cheap (299$) Windows 8.1 8 inch tablet that can use a stylus.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wow! I want one. If you end up getting one, post back. I'm curious how much the pen costs or does it come with one?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Did a little more digging. I'm wondering if the Lenovo Miix 8 has more processing power: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/list/Tablets/categoryID.67092800

I'm also thinking about shelling out a little more for an Asus VivoTab with Wacom digitizer stylus:

http://eee.asus.com/en/vivotab/features

Does anyone know if the Wacom stylus will work with the editor for more precise patching or is it the sort of thing that only works with apps that support it like drawing and note taking apps? If it's not any better than a capacitive stylus for the editor, the extra money won't be worth it for me.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

According to the following article Dell's Venue 8 is the only 8 inch with an optional digitizer pen:

http://techland.time.com/2013/10/17/small-windows-8-tablets-can-you-spot-the-differences/

So, if the screen size isn't too small to work with, that might be the one for me. The digitizer is an extra $35

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just tested out the Dell Venue 8 with the Active Stylus from Dell with the Nord editors (1 & 2). Unfortunately it is completely unusable for me, both with the stylus and without. I had an extremely difficult time patching cables, and turning the knobs was not precise enough to be useful for me at all. The knob would continue to turn while holding down the stylus and continue to drift when releasing it. With a finger held down it would also continue to move. It was very difficult to get the knob to hit and then stay at precise settings. Often it would jump to extreme values. The modules on screen were also too small for my taste. I was really hoping this would work, so I am a bit disappointed. If anyone out there has better experiences, please let us know. I picked up the Venue 8 primarily for this reason, so unfortunately I will be sending it back. I'm curious how the Venue 11 might fair, but I think I'll try before buying moving forward.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just went to the Microsoft Store and tried out the Venue 11 and 8 again along with the Surface Pro and Pro 2. Turns out if you set the knobs to rotate rather than vertical or horizontal it responds much better. It was completely usable on all of them including the small screen on the 8 using either my finger or a stylus. Stylus was better as you could see better.

Patching cables was a different story. On the Surface Pro and Pro 2 I was able to patch fine using the stylus. No problems at all. However with my finger I had a difficult time. The reason is you can't see through your finger so it's difficult to pinpoint the end input. On the Venue 11 and 8 I couldn't patch using my finger at all and the only stylus they had that I could try was one of those capacitive ones with a large foamy style head. I could start the patch cable but I couldn't get it to connect, not even once.

At this point I'm going to research capacitive touch pens to see if I can find one with a sharper point. If I can and it works with the Venue 8, I think I'm going to go for it. The Surface Pro and Pro 2 were a bit too big, heavy and pricey for my needs. I mainly plan to use it for the editor and a few VSTs.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

matrix wrote:
(cut) ... The knob would continue to turn while holding down the stylus and continue to drift when releasing it. With a finger held down it would also continue to move. It was very difficult to get the knob to hit and then stay at precise settings. Often it would jump to extreme values ... (cut)

Since the release of the last 64bit drivers from Clavia, I'm using my Fujitsu T900 convertible tablet (Win7 Pro 64bit), equipped with a Wacom pen and capacitive active screen. It's not as small as MS new tablets, but ...
The problem described by matrix doesn't affect knobs. If you set proper scrolling behavior in editor settings (I think it's "rotative"), you can achieve ultra precise value settings on knobs.
You can have some troubles with non rotative controllers, like steps on value sequencers, indeed, as you start dragging the bars, they start travelling and the movement is not linear, it accelerates. For me it's not that big issue, because I usually want to input numeric values in those controllers, and I can very well do it with the pen via both virtual keyboard or handwriting recognition.
Patching cables with the tip of the pen is a pure joy for me. No problems at all. I can even set one of the two buttons on the pen to perform a double click, so also unplug-replug is effortless.
I'm sorry for my poor English. Embarassed
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