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Thomas_Henry



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject: The Sound One
Subject description: A One-Chip Cigar Box Synth
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Hello gang,

This project is just for fun, but it gave me a chance to try an idea which really worked out nicely. And, I'll also pass along a few thoughts concerning the SN76477.

The new idea is this: the VCO, LFO, noise clock, noise filter, attack, release and one-shot all require a timing resistor. But it occurred to me that each of those resistors could be replaced with a one-transistor current sink if desired. This has several advantages. First, it gives voltage control for each of these parameters. But most important is the greatly expanded range.

For example, using the circuit of the TI data sheet, the VCO range is a measly 10:1. With the current sink, this becomes a staggering 50000:1!

If you look at the TI data sheet, you'll see that the designers there make extensive use of range switching. There are gigantic multi-position rotary switches to kick in a half-dozen capacitors all over the place. But with this current sink idea, they all get jettisoned. One pot covers the entire range.

For the purposes of this project, though, I decided to restrict things a bit, just to make the PWM effect more pronounced.

Anyway, attached is the schem. Here are the features:

-- VCO
-- LFO
-- sweepable noise
-- FM
-- mixer
-- AR type envelope generator
-- battery operated, 10mA draw
-- one-chip design
-- no range switching, hence a super-low parts count
-- internal Zener is used to create the +5V supply
-- internal preamp outputs a line-level signal

A couple other thoughts: the internal one-shot business in the data sheet to generate the envelope stinks. It's completely awkward. So this design uses the external logic affair that Scott Stites stumbled upon. I simply redesigned everything to use a single transistor to generate the needed gate and trigger.

I also used Scott's idea for the PWM. You might want to compare this with the SN-Voice that he and I designed several years back. You'll find it on his Web site.

Note, too, how I do the noise sweep with a single transistor. You can't get any simpler than this for a very wide range noise source.

Be sure to pay strict attention to the power supply. There are two 9V batteries. The positive one feeds the Zener input at pin 14; this is its only connection. But the output of the Zener, at pin 15, creates the +5V supply throughout. Total current drain on the +5V supply is about 1mA, well under the 10mA limit imposed by the data sheet.

On the other hand, the negative battery creates the pot voltages required by the current sinks.

Speaking of which, with the values shown, the sinks sink 200uA max, as specified by the data sheet.

While this particular circuit may not be what you are looking for, some of the ideas in it might prove useful elsewhere.

As usual, please don't republish this schematic anywhere, but instead link back to electro-music. And be sure to ask first if you intend to do a circuit board or anything commercial with it. Other than that, have fun with it and be sure to post any results here.

Thomas Henry


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That looks really cool.

I think it might be interesting (though obviously it adds complexity) to add a simple VCF with a similar set up to control it like the noise sweep, EG/LFO/Manual....
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,

Yes, a person could do that but...the filter is only a one-pole affair, and hence quite weak.

On the other hand, the noise clock sweep sounds for all the world like a potent bandpass filter with heavy resonance. So my suspicion is that sweeping the lowpass filter wouldn't add very much to that. But don't let me stop you from experimenting!

By the way, I first hit upon this noise clock sweep = bandpass filter effect back in 1981. It's perhaps the best thing in the world about the SN chip. I don't recall hearing anything else like it.

Thomas Henry
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:24 am    Post subject: The Sound One
Subject description: schematic
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Hi,
I'm a relative newbie on building devices like this Sound One, using a provided schematic, as in this case. Before I start I want to be sure if I'm reading the schematic correctly, especially the capacitors. It is clear that you mean electrolytic capacitors when there is a plus sign, so I figure the other capacitors in the schematic are just "plain" capacitors. Am I right? Also you mention in your description "sinks". Do you mean heat sinks and do I need them or do you mean something totally different? Thanks in advance!

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Sjoerd Bijleveld
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:26 am    Post subject: Re: The Sound One
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bijlevel wrote:
Hi,
I'm a relative newbie on building devices like this Sound One, using a provided schematic, as in this case. Before I start I want to be sure if I'm reading the schematic correctly, especially the capacitors. It is clear that you mean electrolytic capacitors when there is a plus sign, so I figure the other capacitors in the schematic are just "plain" capacitors. Am I right?


Yes , that is correct...
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Also you mention in your description "sinks". Do you mean heat sinks and do I need them or do you mean something totally different? Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Sjoerd Bijleveld

No ,,no heat sinks required.. Current sink, is an electrical concept , and part of this curcuit .

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:06 am    Post subject: The Sound One
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Thanks a lot for the quick reply! Your answers make me feel less insecure Smile .
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Did someone design a PCB for this Sound One?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:06 am    Post subject: Sound One
Subject description: what kind of switches to use
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I posted this also one level up (Thomas Henry Designs, sorry)
I'm in the process of designing a PCB from the provided schematic with EAGLE. It is not clear to me what physical kind of switch, or set of switches, to use for VCO FM, Mixer ABC and Env Sel 1,2. Also Thomas Henry provided the table for the various combinations of the mixer en de Envelope Select, but what happens if the switch VCO FM is switched to "on", or is this an independent switch? Hope someone can answer my (newbie) questions.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

VCO FM is a simple SPST (you could use an SPDT and only connect one side).

If you didn't want to just have a bank of switches for mixer select and envelope select, there are binary/hex encoded switches out there. The one I'm most familiar with is the Grayhill 25LB22-H which has 16 positions, a bit of overkill, but definitely for the mix select it would be pretty straightforward to use the 25LB45-H which has 8 positions. It's a rotary hex-encoded switch, so it would let you generate the switch patterns necessary to select which mix you want.

There are another type of grayhill encoder that could work, but they're very expensive ($20 and up), but they are also 4 bit encoded, and would allow you to adjust the number of positions down to 4. http://www.mouser.com/Electromechanical/Encoders/_/N-39xfc?Keyword=BCD+switch&FS=True&Ns=Pricing|0

This one might work: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Apem/PT65312/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsfGXvUAbE5P77o%252bw6vaF%2fJOcvenQozs0o%3d

but it's not clear how big it is (haven't dug through all the data sheet yet). Could just be like a trimmer.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:58 am    Post subject: Sound One
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Thanks for the help and information! I will definitely look into those hex-encoded switches, but for my first prototype I will stick to SPST-switches (I have a couple of them laying around).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: The Sound One
Subject description: A One-Chip Cigar Box Synth
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Thomas_Henry wrote:

And be sure to ask first if you intend to do a circuit board or anything commercial with it.

Thomas Henry

I'm working on a PCB design for your schematic, which should eventually lead to a prototype PCB for personal use. Do I need to ask your permission or isn't that what you mean?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:22 am    Post subject: regulated supply for Sound One Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I intend to use/build a regulated supply for the Sound One, but how much power does this circuit draw? I need to know this to be able to choose the right transformator.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:26 am    Post subject: power supply for Sound One Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oops, I just read it draws 10 mA. Is this right, because it seems very modest?
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