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No silence when adding/patching in deactivated patches/slots
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:53 pm    Post subject: No silence when adding/patching in deactivated patches/slots Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If I deactivate a slot by turning off it's power button and add a module or patch a new connection, the entire G2 (any active slots) are momentarily silenced.

I wonder if, in the interest of improving the G2s realtime performance ergonomics, Clavia can better isolate slots and individual DSPs from one another. It's a bit of sacrifice that the G2 autosilences the patch/slot that's active, but maybe there's a compromise...

Some control signal connections don't cause silence. I'm not sure how the G2 discriminates. Maybe one day none of the control signal connections will require momentary silence.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: And no reset on sequences.... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And if we could have one slot that can run continually whilst other slots are compiled it would make for a device for running sequences AND building sounds around that sequence.

Also would allow you to easily route other instruments through the G2 without momentarily muting them when any new module is selected.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I share your wish, Cebec, but am quite sure it won't happen. This has been discussed in the past, and if I remember correctly it has to do with the recalculation that occurs after the addition of a module / cable. The G2 optimizes the calculation of the active slots over all the DSP's, and therefore silences everything shortly.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It'd be nice to be able to lock modules in their 'state' so that they are not included in recalculation.

The NM Classic didn't dynamically recalculate DSP load and, as a result, there were virtually no silences or interruptions when patching.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cebec wrote:

The NM Classic didn't dynamically recalculate DSP load and, as a result, there were virtually no silences or interruptions when patching.

True, I guess (can't remember that well), but then again, the NM classic had no reliable calculation order, which renders it quite unusable for some of the advanced G2 tricks by Rob et al.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:52 pm    Post subject: I agree Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I agree totally with you cebec, I often play live with the G2, and this small silence is really a drawback in this case. Maybe the good solution would be to be able to choose between three "options":
- recalculate automatically (like it is now)
- recalculate manually (by pressing a button in the editor, or on the synth, so that the memory doesn't get messed up after a while)
- no recalculation. (for long live playing sequences)

But maybe this is totally incompatible with the current inner software architecture of th G2 (wich I don't know in details I must admit)...
Well for the moment the only solution would be to own 2 G2s.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes. those 3 options are precisely what I was thinking, as well, but couldn't articulate, yet.
It seems reasonable, enough, it's just finding the time to implement it, I bet, but I really believe being able to patch audio, or at the very least, control and logic signals without silence, a la the NM Classic, would seriously enhance the experience for me since I like to record live or improvise a lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ah, one of my favorite wishes. clavia knows of this problem. we need a cpu grouping feature where cpus can work independant of each other or dependant on each other. this would be saved with .prf2. so other patches could be loaded using slot button+load button+navigatorknob without slience overall but only the cpus in your group.

the others keep on playing. my dream.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

In the olden days, people used to pause between songs on purpose. If I recall correctly it was for something called applause. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And, in the olden days, the delay to "load" a new patch into a real modular was much more than a few hundred milliseconds Exclamation Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:
And, in the olden days, the delay to "load" a new patch into a real modular was much more than a few hundred milliseconds Exclamation Laughing


That's right... Because I cut my teeth on one of those old beasties, I tend to have only a few flexible patches rather than lots of them. The silence problem have never bothered me too much. If there was a smooth transition in the sound, what would happen to the knobs? It could become a complicated mess.

Dasz, you've got two G2s. You can certainly work around a little discontinuity when you change patches in one of them... Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, that is why I have 2 G2's. But I am thinking of others here.
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