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After a bit with the AlpineChic thread, I did some research into an associated entity, http://creativecommons.org.
I would like to start a discussion about this and related issues if anyone is interested. Clearly the times are a'changin', and it's best to know what to avoid, and what to promote and take part in. What are people's opinions of this and similar developments? Let's discuss this.
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Great! I have tried to start similar discussion in older threads.
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Well then, here it is.
What do you think? Think this is a fly-by-night concept? I'll be quite honest, if I can dictate that A. I require attribution, B. disallow commercial use without consent, and C. disallow modifications of my work, and there were some realistic enforcement in place, I would be happy as a plum. I am not into holding my music for ransom, per se. Several times I have given serious consideration to tossing the final versions of my works on Kazaa myself. I welcome the new possibilities of distribution and promotion, and the ease at which I can get my work into the hands of anyone who wants it, but there still lingers that desire to be able to support myself with it, so that I am not required to rent myself out at wholesale prices to answer phones with 40% of my available lifetime. I want to live my music, inside and out, but how? Do these new developments help or hurt that ideal, and do you think they are even worth pursuing? Alot to consider, things seem to change every week.
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i think that with "creative commons" artists have the possibility to protect the files they are giving away for free. artists or label owner using this "some rights reserved" agreement will not earn any money with it. as i said above it's just a virtual way to protect your artistic works...
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Cyxeris
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Hm. In what manner is it enforced?
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| Cyxeris wrote: | | Hm. In what manner is it enforced? |
I assume that if you don't want anyone to copy or use your work in any way without your written permission, then you wouldn't use the Creative Commons license, you use a conventional Copyright with all rights reserved. Enforcing this is your responsibility. If you found a violation, then you would take appropriate action, possibly with an attorney's assistance. My guess is the same applies to the CC license. With CC you release some of your rights - the minimum is that you give the right to copy and use for non-profit as long as the owner is acknowledged, attributed in their terms.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd-nc/1.0/
You can configure the license with more liberal terms. This is shown on this page: http://creativecommons.org/license/
All this seems fine to me. I wonder how strong the CC license is. The "legal" version starts out with this language:
| Quote: | | CREATIVE COMMONS CORPORATION IS NOT A LAW FIRM AND DOES NOT PROVIDE LEGAL SERVICES. DISTRIBUTION OF THIS DRAFT LICENSE DOES NOT CREATE AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT RELATIONSHIP. CREATIVE COMMONS PROVIDES THIS INFORMATION ON AN "AS-IS" BASIS. CREATIVE COMMONS MAKES NO WARRANTIES REGARDING THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, AND DISCLAIMS LIABILITY FOR DAMAGES RESULTING FROM ITS USE. |
To me, this indicates that one should proceed with caution.
With the conventional copyright, the user must contact you and get your permission. I'm not sure this is a big impediment to creativity. A peripheral disadvantage of the CC license is the you never know who's using your stuff. With conventional copyright, at least you would have some awareness, unless your work is being used or copied illegally.
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| Cyxeris wrote: | | Several times I have given serious consideration to tossing the final versions of my works on Kazaa myself. I welcome the new possibilities of distribution and promotion, and the ease at which I can get my work into the hands of anyone who wants it, but there still lingers that desire to be able to support myself with it |
The unfortunate fact of life is that musicians these days don't make much money from CD sales. We know the horror stories of rock stars that sell millions of copies and are broke (the label gets the money), and we know all too many musicians that don't sell but a few hundred of their CDs, barely covering costs - if they are lucky. Money is better made by performing live and selling shirts and hats. 
So, why not post mp3s and let people copy them? It'll get the word out about your music. People will hear it. They'll know you, and maybe you'll get some gigs. Maybe you'll even sell a few shirts. If people like the mp3s, they will even buy your CDs because the mp3s have very bad sound quality and they'll what to get good sound. If you adapt this attitude, then the CC license is a good marketing ploy.
Give the mp3s away, at least with a CC attribute only license. They'll just get stolen anyway.
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