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NordModular-Classic battery?
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Wout Blommers



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: NordModular-Classic battery? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This mail was sent to me in private.

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Hello,

My name is Anton and I am emailing from New Orleans. I decided to ask this particular question(s).

I have a Nord Modular Keyboard (second hand) for about a year. Since the beginning it has been glitchy.

When I first started using it, it would only play most of the patches fully. Many others it would not access. Then, it started to play those patches it would allow, but after several minutes it would not play any of the patches.

The remedy, at least for some time, was to turn it off and on and I could access the patches again. But, it would reoccur and it would allow less time for every subsequent shutting off and on. Eventually, it would not play any patches. I would let it sit for a few days come back and the same scenerio would play itself out again.

I began to expect that it just may be a battery problem. I opened it up and looked for the battery. Lo and behold, I am not exactly sure which component is the battery. There is a sliver type of cylinder strapped to another component on the board and I believe it to be the battery. But, I am not sure. It can use the Nord Modular Keyboard as a Midi Controller even with the situation above. It never loses power.

So, here is my question: Do you know which component is the battery? Have you encountered this problem with the Nord Modular? If you do not think it is this, do you have any suggestions?

I would appreciate any information you could share. I am in New Orleans and there is no one competent enough to fix a Nord Modular. If it is the battery, then I feel comfortable enough doing it myself.

I really loved using this keyboard and would love to continue using it.

Thanks for your time and help! Look forward to hearing from you!

Anton!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm affraid I have bad news for Anton.

To my best knowledge there is no battery in the NM Classic, to be sure I just opened it up and did find a silvery cylinder, but that is an electrlytic capacitor on the power supply board. I found nothing looking like a battery.

There have been more reports like this one lately about the NM Classic, and it looks like the internal flash memory (used for patch storage) is becoming defective - a thing that can happen when they are heavily used depending on some environment factors as well.

If this is true (I can't guarantee it to be true, but I believe it is) the only solution would be to replace the bad chip. For someone not having experience with this this is not a DIY project, but it is something that can be done (although there is some risk of damaging the main board with this operation, and that would make it harder or near impossible to get it working again).

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
There have been more reports like this one lately about the NM Classic, and it looks like the internal flash memory (used for patch storage) is becoming defective - a thing that can happen when they are heavily used depending on some environment factors as well.


what are some of these environmental factors? my NM is used so I can't be sure has to how much use it has seen in the past. i don't wanna lose my baby!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The voltage on which it operated, the temperature of the environment, the way the software deals with the device. Nothing much one can tell as a user.

BTW, weren't you going to send me something ?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
The voltage on which it operated, the temperature of the environment, the way the software deals with the device. Nothing much one can tell as a user.

BTW, weren't you going to send me something ?


yeah! i emailed you a while ago asking for your address but never got a response. email or pm and it's (FINALLY) on it's way... with extra goodies!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OAO-3 wrote:

yeah! i emailed you a while ago asking for your address but never got a response. email or pm and it's (FINALLY) on it's way... with extra goodies!


Very Happy Very Happy

erm, things tend to get lost in spam here ... sorry for that ... I'll send you a PM, right away.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Nord Modular Keyboard
Subject description: Flash Memory not Battery
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Rolling Eyes

Hello Yall!

Thanks for the replies! I think the flash memory thing is probably it. It will only show a blank screen now and will not load any of the patches. I think yall hit it on the nailhead.
Now, I have to figure out how to get it fixed. I have loads of people I know who really do extensive fixes on computers, so I think they would be capable of desoldering and resoldering the chip.
Do any of you know exactly where that chip is set, so I can get it done? Even if I do that I wonder if I can get the chip!
Any help would be great.
Well, the rockstar(and he is a legit rockstar) who gave it to me probably used it extensively. I can tell you that it looks next to new and it would definately show road usage if it was used on the road. But, it does not show much use in that sense. I know it was used extensively in his recordings as he was a big proponent of the Nord Modular when it first arrived.
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Anton
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Anton, welcome.

I've just reopened the thing and was about to take some pics ... batteries empty ... charging now Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Charged enough. I loosened the front panel flat cable connector so a bit more can be seen. The flash in my NM is an AM29F080B - made by AMD.

Hope it's all clear this way.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject:  Nord Modular Keyboard
Subject description: Flash Memory not Battery Part II
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Very Happy

Hello again,

Thank you very much! I have to give it to yall! Yall are a great forum to be part of--definately so!

I really appreciate the photo and the work! Bravo!!!

Ok, now I can get to work on the next step: getting the Flash replaced and having the Nord Modular Keyboard up and running again.

Have any of yall ever tried to get in touch with Clavia via email recently concerning the Nord Modular? From what I have read, on the forum, it seems as if Clavia really have sort of let it be. I could be wrong though.

Thanks for the help. I should know something in the next few days.

Anton! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Concerning the NordModular Classic the lines will be dead...
The platform is discontinued.

Wout
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Nord Modular Keyboard
Subject description: Flash Memory not Battery
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PhaseChangeWell, the rockstar (and he is a legit rockstar) who gave it to me probably used it extensively. I can tell you that it looks next to new and it would definately show road usage if it was used on the road. But, it does not show much use in that sense. I know it was used extensively in his recordings as he was a big proponent of the Nord Modular when it first arrived.


And now we all want to know who it is!
Is the name realy PhaseChangeWell?

Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Nord Modular Keyboard
Subject description: Not the Battery, but the flash memory
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Cool Hello Yall,

You may think this strange, but the rockstar really did not want me to tell others about how much he did for people after Hurricane Katrina. Well, I promised not to name him. But, I will give you a clue. You will get it.

Let me state that he went way out of his way to help others. A good deal of people who worked for him suffered very very badly. He helped me tremendously. He did not give me any money, but he gave me the means to help me re-establish my instruments. He was very generous and kind. I owe him.

And, not like most of the celebs, he did not want any recognition.

The clue: He is the "man" from N I N. That should be sufficient.

I will let you know what goes with fixing the Nord. Take care!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Nord Modular Keyboard
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PhaseChange wrote:

Have any of yall ever tried to get in touch with Clavia via email recently concerning the Nord Modular? From what I have read, on the forum, it seems as if Clavia really have sort of let it be. I could be wrong though.


this past spring I contacted Clavia concerning a "patch corrupt" message I've been getting on my Nord Modular keyboard. took a couple of weeks, but someone eventually did get around to answering my questions and replied to a follow-up e-mail I sent them. can't say any of the suggestions they offered were outside the obvious things to try (using the editor in windows compatability mode, trying a different USB interface...) but I can say they at least did respond to my e-mail.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:29 pm    Post subject: Battery and Nord Response
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Very Happy

Hello,

Thanks for the reply. I haven't heard from that as yet, but hopefully one day.

As for now, I only get a blank screen and I cannot use it even for a Midi device. I will have to send it off to be repaired, but none of the repair places have replied so far.

Take care and I will keep yall posted. Yall Rock! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

have you tried Digitron Electronics http://www.digitronelectronics.com/ ? I believe they're located in L.A. They were recommeneded to me on the Gearslutz site when I was looking for a repair shop to do work on my Sony DPS V77. You would have to ship it, but something like the NM1 would probably be worth the cost involved to get it back in working condition, at least it would to me.
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