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G2 Engine v G2 Expansion
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jrm1



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:47 am    Post subject: G2 Engine v G2 Expansion Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm thinking about expanding my G2 setup and was wondering what the pros and cons would be going for a G2 Engine or an expansion card in my existing G2 keyboard.

A difference of 400 quid, more outputs...but I'm wondering more about the DSP power difference.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Some remarks that come up.

An expanded G2 will have higher polyphony when you use it as a single patch machine, or alternatively you can build an 800% performance over the eight patch areas. Internal interaction is somewhat easier than having two separate machine interact over MIDI and Audio.

But having two separate machines might give you better integration with the rest of your equipment.

Just to be sure, the G2 engine is not an expander for the G2 keys version, it is a standalone synth just lacking the controls, it has no microphone input and no pedals. It will not be easy to get extra poplyphony by utilizing a 2nd G2.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What is an 800% performance over the 8 patch areas? You wouldn't be referring to Variations by any chance?

Is the Expansion a doubling of power, or what multiple do you know?
Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jrm1 wrote:
What is an 800% performance over the 8 patch areas? You wouldn't be referring to Variations by any chance?

Is the Expansion a doubling of power, or what multiple do you know?
Thank you.


A slot holds a patch and a patch is divided into two areas the voice and the fx area. As you have four slots you have eight areas. When you patch up each area to 100% the sum will be 800%, and the areas can communicate with each other using audio busses and internal MIDI. That's what I mean with an 800% performance.

The variation mechanism is seperate from that, each slot can have eight variations, these can regarded to be a sort of presets.

Re. the power question, it sepends a bit on what sort of patches you are making, for instrumental patches you can expect at least double the amount of voices.

For example you have a piano patch that uses 50 .. 100% DSP with an FX section between 50 and 100% as well. This patch will give you 3 voices on the normal G2 and 7 after expansion.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And sadly, your G2 Keyboard can only be an MIDI controller for the Engine, and not a front panel for it.

Yet, I hope they fix this (one day) and add a network shared patch location for multi-G2's - so they only access one set of patches).

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

im thinking of buying a g2 engine. i have several pc's running the demo so i can "simulate" slots. it works really well i can load new sounds into one while the other is running. i use 2 computers in a rack with 2 soundcards and 2 monitors and one keybaord and mouse). the g2 runs about 30% of a cpu at high % reading in software. i am thinking of g2 because i want to do more power on my 2 computers and because it is small and i could use it with laptop. is g2 engine light and shallow rack?

does the g2 engine goes slient when you change sound in one slot (or only that one slot which you change)?

sorry for many q!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mininanowave wrote:


does the g2 engine goes slient when you change sound in one slot (or only that one slot which you change)?


When you load a new patch, or on certain occasions when you repatch a running patch, or when you move modules around, the patch has to be recompiled and reallocated over the DSP's. All patches will be silenced when that happens, for a brief moment, shortest for simplest patches.

When you turn knobs or change variations no recompilation is needed.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thank you for replying to questions

aha so it goes quiet. does midi clock reset as well? or just audio? I want to change tempo with modulation. too bad tempo is in 1bpm and not .1bpm increment.

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