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steampump

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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 4:19 pm Post subject:
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Has somebody installed Expansion Board (Part No. 10280) in a G2 Engine ?
Is it easy ? Does it work with os 1.10 ? _________________ Artworks Music Computer |
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Rob

Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 580 Location: The Hague/Netherlands/EC
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:42 am Post subject:
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steampump wrote: | Has somebody installed Expansion Board (Part No. 10280) in a G2 Engine ?
Is it easy ? Does it work with os 1.10 ? |
Yes, its easy, only one phillips screwdriver required. Expansionboards work with all released software versions.
(Maybe this can be moved to the FAQ pages.)
[Note Blue Hell : good idea, did so] |
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steampump

Joined: Oct 22, 2004 Posts: 76 Location: switzerland
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:19 pm Post subject:
Installation guide in french |
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I have recieved my expansion board and it works fine.
You can find now pictures and the french translation on my homepage
http://www.armuco.ch/music/music_sound_technologie_fr.htm
I have to correct a half truth when Clavia says that polyphony will be increase twice the original.
It right that the global amount for all 4 slot in a performance will increase, but a single patch will still be able to use a maximum of 32 voices. That means that a single patch who still have 8 polyphony voices will not go up to 16 polyphony voices with the expansion board. Only the stealth voices in a performance will be recovered. _________________ Artworks Music Computer |
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steampump

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blue hell
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject:
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c'est un petit peu dificile pour moi par ce que mon francais sucks ... or something ...
But the pictures are very very clear of course & will even be helpfull for the non french :-)
Message being: it's easy.
Thanks.
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cappy2112

Joined: Dec 24, 2004 Posts: 2498 Location: San Jose, California
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject:
Testing Expander board on an engine |
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Blue Hell wrote: | c'est un petit peu dificile pour moi par ce que mon francais sucks ... or something ...
But the pictures are very very clear of course & will even be helpfull for the non french
Message being: it's easy.
Thanks.
Jan. |
When you power on an expanded NM Key or rack, the LCD shows "Expanded", so you have a vialu indication the Expander board is installed.
How do the G2 Engine users know if the Engine sees the Expander board, since there is no LCD ?
Is there an indication in the editor ? |
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cappy2112

Joined: Dec 24, 2004 Posts: 2498 Location: San Jose, California
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject:
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steampump wrote: | I have recieved my expansion board and it works fine.
You can find now pictures and the french translation on my homepage
http://www.armuco.ch/music/music_sound_technologie_fr.htm
I have to correct a half truth when Clavia says that polyphony will be increase twice the original.
It right that the global amount for all 4 slot in a performance will increase, but a single patch will still be able to use a maximum of 32 voices. That means that a single patch who still have 8 polyphony voices will not go up to 16 polyphony voices with the expansion board. Only the stealth voices in a performance will be recovered. |
Really? Why is this? This is different behaviour than on the NM1, but then the NM1 didn't have performances. |
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blue hell
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject:
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cappy2112 wrote: |
How do the G2 Engine users know if the Engine sees the Expander board, since there is no LCD ?
Is there an indication in the editor ? |
No direct info in the editor, just make a patch with a load between 50% and 100% and see how many voices you can get, should be 8 if expanded.
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cappy2112

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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject:
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steampump wrote: | Has somebody installed Expansion Board (Part No. 10280) in a G2 Engine ?
Is it easy ? Does it work with os 1.10 ? |
Piece of Cake! -at least make sure you touch bare metal on the G2 chassis first, and try not to toauch any of the traces or components on the Expander board.
Just make sure you don't bend the LEDS when putting the cover back on.
I modified the OS from 1.10 to 1.32 right after I put the Expansion board in.
Why do you want to keep the old OS- or did you find some serious problems in 1.32? |
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Chet

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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:36 am Post subject:
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I just received my G2 expansion board (hooray!), but it's got no spacers!
Does anyone know the specs for these? I suppose they're metric. If I know their measurements, I'll try to pick some up somewhere. |
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jksuperstar

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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:52 am Post subject:
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Quote: | I just received my G2 expansion board (hooray!), but it's got no spacers! |
I had the same problem!!
But I don't move my G2 around a *whole*lot (at least, no one else moves it for me), and the .1" connector will go a long way to holding that board securly in place. For me, it works without the spacers.
However, I'm interested in installing them as well, I just haven't notified Clavia of this blunder in quality control. So I second Chet's request for more info on the length & thread of these spacers. |
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Nodular

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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:36 am Post subject:
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me too, me too !!! |
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Funky40
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:47 am Post subject:
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Steampump wrote :<< I have to correct a half truth when Clavia says that polyphony will be increase twice the original.
It right that the global amount for all 4 slot in a performance will increase, but a single patch will still be able to use a maximum of 32 voices. That means that a single patch who still have 8 polyphony voices will not go up to 16 polyphony voices with the expansion board. Only the stealth voices in a performance will be recovered.[/quote]>>
I need an Expansionboard too, if you have right the worth for me is not the same, because i need it also in single mode.
With a Patch of 53% VA load and 60 % FX Load i get now 3 Voices, with Expansion i thought it should be 6.Do i get it or not ?
I dont understand where and why there`s a limitation .
thanks for Answers i`m just on the way to buy one, so i`m waiting for clearity. |
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blue hell
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:15 am Post subject:
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Funky40 wrote: | [...] i thought it should be 6. |
7 even, 53% means that one whole DSP is needed to process that patch area for each voice. There would be room for another patch area of 47%, but that's not availble in the setup you sketched. The 70% effects area needs one whole DSP as well, leaving 30% room for which no allocation can be found either. So when you have 8 DSPs you can have one for the effexts area and 7 for for voices.
The NM Classic manual has a good chapter on how voice allocation works, it's a bit different for the G2, but not too. I think it's still on the Clavia site. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Funky40
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:34 am Post subject:
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7 of corse.6 was a mistake.
But the main Question is answered, the Expansion has 100% functionality also in single mode. I was wondering about why it should`nt be so.
edit:The situation with 53% Load is clear for me, my Knwoledge is that processorload is count/cut in 12,5 % Steps and 33,3 % Steps,
So its upsolute clear that in single mode with FX and nothing more, more than 50% are same than 100%, it takes a full Processor.I take care of that and try to stay under 50% in my Patches, but in FX Section i`m allways over 50%.
Thanks to give me Clarity |
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seraph
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:20 am Post subject:
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cappy2112 wrote: | ...Piece of Cake! -at least make sure you touch bare metal on the G2 chassis first... |
I adopted a different technique: I installed my newly arrived expansion board with bare feet on a hard floor What do you think I guess I was firmly grounded. a technique more suited during summertime but, what the hell, I coudn't wait next year to install it  _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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northstar

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject:
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Hi everybody there,
Thanks very much, steampump, for your excellent photos of the installation procedure. :great:
Anyhow, I would feel even more comfortable to have a written description as a supplement to the photos.
I have some problems with steampump's description as well, Jan, 'cause my French is somewhat very rudimental. Or did I get something wrong and there is an english description distributed by Clavia with the expansion board?? (That would explain steampump mentioning "french translation")
Have a nice day,
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blue hell
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northstar

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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject:
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Thanks, Jan!  |
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jksuperstar

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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject:
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If you order the expansion board, a complete instruction set with pictures & words comes with it (same as the pdf Jan linked to, now that I look at it). |
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crueltwist
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject:
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Hi all - I hope this hasn't been covered already -
I'm thinking about buying an expansion board for my g2 (all hail to the developers of the patch mutator by the way - well, well worth the wait and is bound to shift hundreds more units!!) -
I just want to know for sure before I do so that the patch load (Cycles and Memory) will be doubled? - I ask as I don't really care that much about polyphony but most of the synths I build are as absurdly big as possible (might as well get all the toys out at once!) and I keep maxing out the cycles and memory patch load -
if it's the case that it will double the load then I'll get one tommorrow -
Many thanks
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blue hell
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject:
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crueltwist wrote: | Hi all - I hope this hasn't been covered already |
Sort of, fragmetary, like in
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-9215.html
That one ends with someone wanting to buy the expansion, guess that's good :-)
So yes it doubles everything but maybe not in the way you expect it to.
You'll need the busses and the MIDI automation to make the patches interact with each other. One slot still can't use more than 2 DSPs, but with the expansion you can totally fill four slots. without the expansion just two.
Hope that helps. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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ian-s

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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject:
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Sort of doubled, your patches in any single 'area' cannot be any bigger than before, the same zero page/dsp limit applies. But you will be able to have 8 maxed out areas instead of 4. |
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Acidfever
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:55 am Post subject:
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Might be me but i still totally do not understand the advantage of getting the DSP board.
I can't get more voices on a slot? Total polyphony doesn't become bigger?
I understand that there is a maximum amount of modules.....no questions there. But why don't i get doubled polyphony?
Can someone make a before and after comparison to what the G2 can do with or without the expansion? |
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blue hell
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:56 am Post subject:
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Acidfever wrote: | Might be me but i still totally do not understand the advantage of getting the DSP board. |
It is not really easy indeed, hope to find time this evening for a longer reply (I'm at work now getting a headache from what I ought to do :-)
For now: the polyphony does double. It's just because I thought you indicated to be not very interested in that aspect that I answred the way I did. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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