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Mics for the G2 KB
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Mics for the G2 KB Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What kind of mics are you all using with the G2 & G2X KB?
How much does a typical mic of this type cost?


Is anyone here using a mic with their KB?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's a gooseneck mic, similar to the one the G2X came with:

http://www.novamusik.com/search.aspx?type=Model&keyword=3120&mid=27
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

rhombus wrote:
Here's a gooseneck mic, similar to the one the G2X came with:

http://www.novamusik.com/search.aspx?type=Model&keyword=3120&mid=27


Thanks- have you used this mic?

I'm looking for referrals for mics that people have had good results with on the G2.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just got one. It works OK, but the neck is a little short because it's intended for the G2X, where the mic input is on top, and the G2's input is on the back.

If someone knows of an appropriate XLR gooseneck extension, I'd love to hear about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I learned this the other day, this seems appropriate place to put this info, since it's related to the XLR/MIC input.

I have a SansAmp Bass DI, and tried sending XLR to the G2. As usual, I checked to see if there was less noise with or without the GND lift. I expected it wouldn't make much difference (short run, etc).

Anyway, with the Ground Lifted, I got LOTS of hiss & noise. Put Ground back in, and all is well. I don't know if its a bad implementation, or if Clavia has just not spent 5 minutes on the web to figure out how to do differential connections properly. As the 1/4" jacks aren't differential either.

But, just a warning. Keep your grounds when connected to the G2.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The G2 has a 2-wire power cord, which presumably means that the chassis is not grounded. So if you lift the ground, doesn't the whole chassis act like an antenna picking up noise?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

With differential signals (as used in true XLR cables), there are two signals that move relative to each other, rather than relative to ground. Phantom power, etc, takes advantage of this fact. There should be no relation to ground in the sense of the power plug. That's there for protecting the user from shorts conducting to your body from metal on the device (at least, that's the intent). IMHO, only bad implementations make connections between audio ground and this ground. There should be a good filtered virtual ground for signals.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There does seem to be a surprising amount of hum in the output signals on my G2 also. I don't know if the hum is being picked up from nearby equipment or whether the amplifiers are just hummy.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ark wrote:
There does seem to be a surprising amount of hum in the output signals on my G2 also. I don't know if the hum is being picked up from nearby equipment or whether the amplifiers are just hummy.


After I wrote these words, I decided to see if there was anything I could do to reduce the hum. It turns out that there is: The amount of hum is surprisingly sensitive to how the cables are routed from the G2's outputs to the mixer to which I've connected it. Apparently the cables had been running close to a hum source (such as a computer's power supply), and moving the cables made a big difference.

These are unbalanced cables, of course. I haven't checked on hum susceptibility in the mic preamp.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Humming outputs is not something I recognize ... ground loops incorporating USB and or MIDI have been troublesome for me (and others) at times. Also acoustic hum was reported by several people, probably caused by the transformer interacting with the steel case.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ark wrote:
ark wrote:
There does seem to be a surprising amount of hum in the output signals on my G2 also. I don't know if the hum is being picked up from nearby equipment or whether the amplifiers are just hummy.


After I wrote these words, I decided to see if there was anything I could do to reduce the hum. It turns out that there is: The amount of hum is surprisingly sensitive to how the cables are routed from the G2's outputs to the mixer to which I've connected it. Apparently the cables had been running close to a hum source (such as a computer's power supply), and moving the cables made a big difference.

These are unbalanced cables, of course. I haven't checked on hum susceptibility in the mic preamp.


A little OT, but hey, it's worth having more info, than less, right?

As a general guideline, you should avoid running audio cables along side any power cables. If they need to be near each other, try to have them cross at 90degrees, then continue to keep them separate. 90deg avoids the current in the power cables from inducing a current (noise) in the audio cables. This should also be held true for MIDI cables, since they transmit at 32kHz, this can easily be picked up or even aliased in any audio signal headed for an Analog->digital converter.

Differential cables are much less susceptible to this type of noise -- If the current is induced in both signal lines, it is canceled out at the receiver. (This is referred to as Common Mode noise, and the reciever's ability to remove it is Common Mode Rejection, or CMR).

This is my complaint about the G2's Mic input: It doesn't seem to have ANY CMR, and instead treats the XLR input as if it were single-ended.
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