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Anyone used the Doepfer Pocket Dial with the G2?
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:26 am    Post subject: Anyone used the Doepfer Pocket Dial with the G2? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Has anyone used the Doepfer Pocket Dial with the G2? Seems like a natural.

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http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm

This is different from the Pocket Control which uses pots, not endless rotary encoders.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'd like to know too...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i dont think the G2 understands incremental controlers... Or?
but..
maybe it should.. at least the engine would benefit from that.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, incremental controllers would be nice, you could have as much resolution as you wanted, instead of 7bits as per MIDI CC#s. I have an old Peavey StudioMix, which only uses NRPNs, meaning I need a translator somewhere to use it. NRPNs inthe G2 would be helpful for MIDI processing.

But MOSC is right, that little box looks like a match for the "empty" space on the G2's (I'm always looking for more things to put there!).
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi
It definitly understands incremental controllers. I used it a while ago with Cubase SX. But isn't there more than one method of incremental controller communication?

Best would be to check out the manual for detailed information about communication methods ( http://www.doepfer.de/pdf/pd_man.pdf )

good luck
gal

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Some creative use of flipflops and or s&hs would give you NRPNs on the G2 I'd say.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
Some creative use of flipflops and or s&hs would give you NRPNs on the G2 I'd say.


Rob already did that. It's just data and the NM is turning complete except for that pesky "infinite" bit so...

I'd say native NRPN support should immeditaly be on the "to do" list, but who am I?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What are NRPNs? Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

For some info on NRPN's see http://www.philrees.co.uk/nrpnq.htm

A summary :

It is a way to have finer detailed control over more parameters through MIDI. Normally with CCs you get 128 value steps for 120 controllers, with NRPN's you can get 16384 steps for I think 16384 controllers.

It works by first selecting through a special CC sequence a controller to manipulate and then sending values for that specific controller through some other CC messages. When you want to control another parameter you first have to select that one.

The price to be payed is some protocol overhead, meaning that more time is needed to control parameters in this way. Fast changing parameters in practice need less detail in their control, so those could be dealt with by normal CCs.

Doing it yourself :

An NM implementation would need some storage elements (S&H's) to remember values in and some logic to get values into that storage depending on the MIDI CC sequence seen. o not use all your resources for NRPNs only you would have to limit yourself to some parameters that you can to control in this way.

I of course agree that it would be nice to have this built in as a system feature, but when you really need it /now/ for some parameters you could build it yourself.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jan, would that be possible for pitchbend data? i can't quite picture the whole concept.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Pitchbend's use a dedicated MIDI command (3bytes total) to transmit the 14bits of pitchbend data.

NRPN's use a sequence of 4 commands (2 for address and 2 for data) (12 bytes total) to allow the 14 bits of data transfer. They are like the CC expansion for undefined things, much like sysex allowed for undefined things. Sysex was intended for non-realtime control, whereas NRPNs are FOR real time control.

Pitchbend *could* be sent over NRPNs, but unless you have more than 1 pitchbend per MIDI channel, it'd be a waste of MIDI Bandwidth. It would be perfect for more than 1 pitchbend within a MIDI channel (Poly pitchbend?)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
For some info on NRPN's see It is a way to have finer detailed control over more parameters through MIDI. Normally with CCs you get 128 value steps for 120 controllers, with NRPN's you can get 16384 steps for I think 16384 controllers.


Yeah, that sounds right. Of cource it doesn't realy matter that you can adress that many parameters because MIDI is so slow and this stuff has a lot of overhead so morphs over 16K+ parameters will take quite a while....

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:04 am    Post subject: emulating incremental controls with the g2 Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi,
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-25262.html shows a patch that emulates an incremental controller with a frontpanel knob. it also allows for independently assign and name a knob and a button to the frontpanel.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I use the pocketdial with the G2 and it works great.

We are currently designing a midi controller like the Pocketdial but with better encoders (smoother) and the encoders also have switches built into them.

So the controllers will be smaller then the pocketdial, have 16 encoders that will be able to use four of the switches on the encoders to switch between the banks. The rest of the encoder switches will be used as cc. We are thinking that we might also be able to custom program for people who want something different.

The controller box will also have 2 inputs for outside sensors, maybe 4, we are still working this out. So... the list

16 encoders with switches
2 to 4 inputs for sensors
USB and MIDI out

and smaller then the pocketdial.

And no, it's not built from midibox.org designs.

Not sure when we are going to have these done as we are running into problems with the code (Amtel Chips)

www.buzz-r-electronics.com
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

buzzr wrote:


www.buzz-r-electronics.com


Nice web site. Very interesting pics of DIY synths. thumb up

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 1:38 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hello!

here a g2 newbie

would like to know if anyone here uses the "classic" pocket control to tweak the engine. I used it years ago with my first micromodular and worked for me...but surely I touched some of the backside pins and loose that generic preset. Don´t know if ithis first pocketc is suitable for my engine (it seems it receives control from the pocket, but can´t assign the controls properly on the editor)

tonight I´ll try with some "generic" presets from the pocket I´ve seen at the manual (the "masterchannel" ones)

all the best,

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, I have had both the pocket dial and the pocket control. Unfortunately the G2 has a bunch of midi channels taken and you cannot use them. Which makes it difficult when you have unprogramable midi controllers like the Pocket Dial and Control.

Here is the list:

Unusable MIDI CC#'s

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Faderfox is also this way. So, any small midi controller it seems is not really suited.
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

buzzr wrote:
Faderfox is also this way. So, any small midi controller it seems is not really suited.


The Korg Nano has assignable controls.
Also the Behringer midi controllers, but they're a bit larger.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

buzzr wrote:
Well, I have had both the pocket dial and the pocket control. Unfortunately the G2 has a bunch of midi channels taken and you cannot use them. Which makes it difficult when you have unprogramable midi controllers like the Pocket Dial and Control.

Here is the list:

Unusable MIDI CC#'s

0
1
7
11
17
18
19
32
64
70
80
96
97
121
123


thanks for the help!
I´ll try it tonight. (crossing fingers) Rolling Eyes
best,
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ah, yes the nano series. These are quite fragile unfortunately...
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The Peavy pc1600x is very sturdy and completely programmable - not much bigger than the nano, but more expensive. No knobs, only buttons and sliders. The buttons don't light up to indicate on/off in toggle mode, which is one thing I like about the nano.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Haven't seen the Pocket Dial, but I did use the Doepfer Pocket Electronics to build this thing which fits perfectly on the right side of my G2:


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

grimley wrote:
Haven't seen the Pocket Dial, but I did use the Doepfer Pocket Electronics to build this thing which fits perfectly on the right side of my G2:


Whoa! What the hell is that?

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very Happy
A bunch of radio shack knobs (not endless encoders) and switches and 2 Doepfer joysticks (with springs removed) connected to a Doepfer Pocket Electronics kit, stuffed into a Lacie drive enclosure plastered in Elektron stickers!
http://www.doepfer.de/pe.htm
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