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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: How to make a matrix sequencer?? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i was looking at this video today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKvMMIRCzdQ&feature=channel_page

and am wondering how one would go about creating something in the same vein. are there any DIY matrix sequencer projects out there?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

How is your envelope generator going - given up? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

no no i have not given up
i am actually reading the article you posted right now and I think I finally got one I am happy with!!

thanks

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just a bunch of counters & a matrix mixer really innit?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hmmm

could you be a bit more specific?

so are you saying you take 4 different 4017's and you set each one up with a different clock and then you just take 4 taps from each and put them through a martix mixer?

is that really all it is?

thanks so muich

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

4017s would work, I'd drive them from a 4516 or something tho, so the main clock input would clock that, then each of its four outputs would clock each 4017, having 4 seperate clock ins could be cool for some wonky sequence action - 4 square LFOs would be rad, especially if they were VCing one another a little.

I'm sure you could even do it with a single 4017.

Just tried out both configs in the G2 Editor... 4 counters is alot more interesting, you get that winding, ASR style arabesque thing going, whereas just using one counter sounds alot like a regular sequencer - which maybe what you are after - but with four outputs.

Pretty easy to build in stages so you can try out differant things as you go.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If I understand it correctly, it is just 4 separate sequencer with their own clock inputs and a gate output for each stage.

Now, this has given me an awesome idea! How about one where instead of just a clock input for each row, you have 4 different ones, Left, Right, Up and Down. So, you could have 4 different sequences, each going all over the map and each as many steps as you want, governed by the pattern (or lack thereof) you present to the clock inputs. Each row would be assigned a different color, and each programming pot would have 4 different colored LED's under it, one for each row, so you could visually track what each sequence is doing. Does that make any sense? Razz

Edit: And then, if you sum 2 or more of the outputs together, you get the Klee version! I'm definitely going to have to build this. Just gimme 5 years Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Holy Shit! Just found this:

http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/topic-8336-0.html

And I thought I was on to something new Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

sadly that link doesnt seem to work ;(
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Damn, works for me, but if not you'll just have to go to

double you double you double you dot muffwiggler dot com slash forum

then click on "Eurorack Modules" then "Z8000 Matrix Sequencer"

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

odd

works now
thanx

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If anyone's interested here's a little patch I made with the G2 Demo of something similar to what's described in that youtube video in the first post.
Each counter and mixer is a 4 step sequencer, the outputs from each one are then mixed together to give one CV.
The top counter is clocked by an LFO and then its outputs are used to drive the other counters. I need to figure out some way to allow you to mix counter outputs so you can drive each counter with more than one input.
I think I might add something similar to my Lunetta Smile


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Cool very cool slacker.

I like Binary counters so I did a little remix;


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice one. Seems like you can do a lot with this idea, I reckon a bunch of simple sequencers that you can hook up however you like would make a pretty interesting module.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't understand what this thing does. Let alone how it does it! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

slacker wrote:
Nice one. Seems like you can do a lot with this idea, I reckon a bunch of simple sequencers that you can hook up however you like would make a pretty interesting module.


For sure. I started playing around with that idea - a counter sand-box type of module so I have a bunch of half built / lunetta type things, 4018, 4029, 4516 & 4520; just differant flavours of counters - its lots of fun, not sure what shape it will take maybe a matrix sequencer with a differant counter for each row!

The 4029s & 4516s are really cool with the direction / mode pins brought out to inputs, having a slower counter toggle them is a heap of fun Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

the Z8000 Matrix Sequencer does look pretty tasty
im pretty sure theres some microcontroller action going on inside of it though...


you can use some mux/demux chips to get similar functionality
you could do it using a 4051 per output, just wire all the sequencer pots as voltage dividers and route each knobs output to the corresponding 0,1,2, or 3 i/o pin and the o/i pin (pin 3) will be the row or column voltage output

then tie address pin C to ground, your clock to A and your clock divided by 2 to B

using a 4013 flip flop will give you 2 individual divide by 2 on the same chip


if you want the fancy 16 step step outputs on the z8000 a 4067 1to16 mux/demux rigged similarly will do the trick




although the idea of a matrix seems cool i would much prefer a row of 8 sequencing pots wired up to a number of 4051s, then you can clock each 4051 in interesting ways

dividing a master clock with a chip like a 4040 and using various divisions in different combinations you can get very musical patterns

/1 /2 /4 divisions of the master clock wired to the A, B, C of a 4051 will give you a traditional sequencer pattern 12345678

/1 /2 /8 to A,B,C will give you 1212 3434 5656 7878

/1 /2 /16 to A,B,C will give you 1234 1234 5678 5678

/4 /2 /1 to A,B,C you have 87654321

im sure you can see the possibilities here, if you use multiple 4051s with the same 8 voltage dividers you can get these patterns coming out of separate outputs simultaneously


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The 4 x 4 matrix is basically the idea of my Quadatrix sequencers that I had designed and were building around this time last year. There's something of a description of it here, at this web page portion of mine:

http://www.damian.deathlehem.com/design.html

There's a video there of 2 of the semitone sequencers running. There's at least 1 more video of the 4 semitone sequencers as well as 1 octave sequencer, up at my youtube site - the addy is in my signature.

The idea of mine, is to drive the clock input for each of the Quadatrix sequencers, from what ever source that you like. In that regard, you're able to drive the 4 steps of any of the sequencers, in any x, y fashion that you wish.

As the unit currently exists (4 x 4 step semitone sequencers and 1 x 4 step octave (with 3 more to be completed) - it's all working beautifully in it's 1V/oct. standard. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Rykhaard wrote:
The idea of mine, is to drive the clock input for each of the Quadatrix sequencers, from what ever source that you like. In that regard, you're able to drive the 4 steps of any of the sequencers, in any x, y fashion that you wish.


But what does this mean? Embarassed
I don't think I'm as stupid as this is making me feel. Rolling Eyes Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

my thought reading this thread now the first time:

i wish that Scott stites would make a 8x8 Matrixsequenzer with advanced outputsection
---> A+B.....+C+D / A-B.....etc. / etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc., etc., Laughing

wow, i need a Matrix sequenzer, one from Scott salut
matrixtriggersequenzer would be fun too,
but still not built one klee Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
Rykhaard wrote:
The idea of mine, is to drive the clock input for each of the Quadatrix sequencers, from what ever source that you like. In that regard, you're able to drive the 4 steps of any of the sequencers, in any x, y fashion that you wish.


But what does this mean? Embarassed
I don't think I'm as stupid as this is making me feel. Rolling Eyes Laughing


Sorry about that Unc! That's my usual not-speaking-clearly-so-that-most-people-are-able-understand-what-I-mean-syndrome. Surprised It works in reverse quite well as well for me not always fully understanding what some others mean. Surprised

With each of the 4 step Quadatrix sequencers (semitone or octave) having a pair of clock inputs, I'm able to to tell each of the sequencers at what clock speed, to play which of the relevant sequencer's 4 steps - in any order, or direction.

Each collection of 4 of the 4 step sequencers, can be fed into 1 of 8 inputs of an 8 to 1 demultiplexer. There are 3 clock inputs for it, to choose which input is currently selected. This allows me to select which of the 4, 4 step sequencer's outputs are currently fed into the demultiplexer and from it's output, to what / which / wherever, is receiving the control voltage.

With 4 x 4 step sequencers, this allows any combination of steps to be played, and whatever clock divisions that I choose, from the total of 16 steps.

Each of the 4 x 4 step sequencers can also be individually fed, to wherever the CV is desired.

Combine this (once I finish the last 3 of the 4 intended octave sequencers) with 4 x 4 step octave sequencers and the possibilities open up much wider. Smile

Now - as Funky had mentioned - it'd be wonderful to have 8 x 8 step sequencers. (16 or fewer, 16 step sequencers might begin approaching too much to remember, unless there were only 2 to 4 of them.) When I'd originally come up with this idea though, I wanted something small and simple to complete and test for it's functionality.
As far as I've so far found, my Quadatrix sequencer (with proper control) can imitate many of the functions that the Moog 960 is well known for, as well other functions.
In the future, I could be looking at 8 or 16 step modules, which could be used with or replace, my 4 steps. They would work easily as well, with the 8:1 demux. Smile

Also - each of the steps, for each of the sequencers, are 12 position (semitone) and 6 position (octave) rotary switches, for the definite 1V/octave voltage selection.

I hope that's a little clearer than my first message. Surprised Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Rykhaard wrote:

Each collection of 4 of the 4 step sequencers, can be fed into 1 of 8 inputs of an 8 to 1 demultiplexer. There are 3 clock inputs for it, to choose which input is currently selected. This allows me to select which of the 4, 4 step sequencer's outputs are currently fed into the demultiplexer and from it's output, to what / which / wherever, is receiving the control voltage.

uhh, i had another Idea of it when i wished to get such a thing from scott.
Ryk, i'm sorry, you are a very clever person too.
I guess i still don't understand it all,. i just know with that Toy one can make VERY cool stuff.
GREAT work Very Happy
( don't try to explain for me. the nice thing on (my) modular is that i don't have to think, i patch by feel........ )



looking forward to see one day something available for the DIY geeks if you like Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well,
I still have no idea what any of you are talking about. Rolling Eyes
Maybe I don't need to understand.
If I ever get around to building one, I'll try to understand it then.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

No worry Unc. As of today (at work) with all of the new controller ideas for my sequencer(s) popping into my head, I officially decided to end my 'sabbatical from building', today. (Which I've basically been on, since June 0409.)

I'll be posting full details / diagrams / schematics and videos of the above mentioned sequencers as well as their new controllers, on my bulletin board (address in my .sig). I'm going to go and start an entirely new section at the BB for it, right now.

(Side note: for years, I had been posting continuing development / etc. descriptions on my web page. As of today, I am now going to post all of that, to my BB, where others of any / any similar interest can post as well.)

I'll be going into full details / explanations of the sequencers as well as the controllers, with the current ideas from today, as well as from the past, as well as how development goes, in their building and testing.

Ultimately I hope - this will be a sequencer (hardware only) unlike any ever designed. We shall see. Wink
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Today's 1st test of a Controller idea for my sequencer, was successful. Very Happy Within the next few days I hope to be going 'full blast', with my first 8 step Controller.

I just finished posting news / details on it, in The Deathlehem Machine sub-forum at my BB. Smile
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