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3D printed Lunetta circuits
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:53 am    Post subject: 3D printed Lunetta circuits
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I've got an Ultimaker 2+ 3D printer. It rocks my socks off in print quality, ease of use, and print capability plus it's low noise which is important where I am. Thing is though it only prints with one filament type at a time.

Well, I want to print circuit boards and that for the most part requires two filament types in the same print - conductor (which is a poor conductor, more on that later) and insulator (which is a good insulator). So I got to thinking (which was inspired by someone else's work presented on the Ultimaker forum) about ways to do the filament swapping thing well and I came up with my take on the filament swapping approach. It has certain advantages but one major disadvantage - you have to swap the dang filament constantly! It's a pain to do that on the Ultimaker because the spool is on the BACK of the machine for some reason.

So I was left trying to think of a way to do this without swapping filament!

And I think maybe I found a way!

This is it... First I load up a conductive filament, then I print a thin sheet for the base of the circuit that is only two layers thick. This provides a mechanical base. Then I print conductors that are fairly narrow in width but really thick vertically. I print "sockets" for the chips of some special arrangement that I have in mind, and I make these be Lunetta circuits so that the comparatively low resistance of the traces is acceptable.

Anyway the result of all that is that the conductors will have resistance from trace to trace due to the bottom mechanical layer, but that will be a comparatively large resistance because the bottom layer is thin. So it's like a resistor exists from trace to trace, but it is large compared to the trace's resistance (which is also kind of large). The circuit, being a Lunetta, is mostly or entirely digital, so it won't really matter anyway!

And magically a single filament board is created. It only makes Lunettas, but it does make Lunettas! What do you all think? I will be working on making a test structure!

Les
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

certainly sounds workable - i'd love to have some of my obscure lunetta ideas that never got commercialised come to fruition...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Have a look below at three bags of chips from an old Lunette "challenge", let's call it. Actually I don't remember if it was a competition or not. My plan is to use these chips and perhaps some others that I have in tubes on my desk to create some interesting (and small) Lunette circuit.

The first step is to make a model of a chip in OpenSCAD, my 3D printing CAD tool of choice. So out come the chips, out come the calipers, and away I go into my creative zone!

Les


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

In the image below we have the Dual In-line Package (DIP) drawn out in OpenSCAD. I will use this model for test fitting into the conductive filament socket that will be an integral part of the circuit.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There is something very therapeutic about modeling a chip!

Les


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

deltamodulator wrote:
Have a look below at three bags of chips from an old Lunette "challenge", let's call it. Actually I don't remember if it was a competition or not. My plan is to use these chips and perhaps some others that I have in tubes on my desk to create some interesting (and small) Lunette circuit.

The first step is to make a model of a chip in OpenSCAD, my 3D printing CAD tool of choice. So out come the chips, out come the calipers, and away I go into my creative zone!

Les


make sure you list the contents of the bags for those of us who want to 'play along at home' Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK Wofl, will do.

this is my concept for a socket. The iC is inserted upside down (legs up, or dead bug position as it is called). The tabs all grip the legs, supposedly.

The conductive base plate is obviously less than 10 times thinner than the conducting traces.

Les


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I decided to attempt a single-chip design for simplicity's sake. KISS of course. So I managed to find four 4093 CMOS chips, which have four quad Schmitt trigger NAND gates each in the first bag where I looked. Nice!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So I was trying to think of ways to connect the Schmitt trigger NAND gates together, and ways to combine the geometric with the schematic. Then it occurred to me - I wonder if I just thickened the back, then all the pins would be shorted by resistance, however the adjacent pins would have much lower resistance than those far away... what would it do?

Then I addressed the problem of how to hook up power and capacitor leads and I realized i could use the pins themselves in a breadboard.

So the resulting thing forms a "backpack" of volumetric resistance. The next thing to do is to draw some form of schematic and possibly decide where if anywhere to change thicknesses, widths, and/or make cuts in the volumetric resistance so that oscillation works better. i can also fire up the printer and print one to see what the resistances actually are.

So that's my progress report for this morning!

Les


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

After many iterations, I seem to be close to an IC socket printed with Graphene filament, shown in the image below. The filament is from www.functionalize.com

Les


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Latest design!

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power and ground, 3D printing style!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here is the latest test. Notice the long bridge in the middle - the Ultimaker printers do welll with this among other capabilities.

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