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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:09 am    Post subject: Your thoughts on a crazy approach to mixing... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey everyone.

Me and a friend I occasionally mix songs for were drunk and thought of something kind of completely nuts and impractical but interesting nonetheless...

Imagine mixing the tracks of a song by feeding each track to its own speaker in the room. Yeah. 24 tracks? 24 speakers. And the "master bus" is a stereo mic...one of these binaural type things.

Panning instruments and toying around their "presence" in the mix would imply moving the speaker that is assigned to that instrument left and right, back and forth... up and down...on a tilt?

The reason why we find this interesting to attempt even with whatever non-reference, hi-fi speakers I have at my disposal, is to see how a certain cohesion provided by the natural reverb of the room, minimal as it is, could be captured this way.

Feel free to laugh this off as plain stupid. heh! But I'm curious to hear your thoughts if any.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not so crazy when you consider how a live concert is mic'd. Each instrument has at least one mic and they may also mic the room or concert hall in several places. So while you're not using a board to do the mixing and instead are using a natural acoustic mix, you're getting each instrument in a stereo field and the room acoustics. So I think it's a clever idea if you can afford 24 speakers or have them already. You can also do things like open drapes or closed drapes, moving furniture around, moving speakers around, and controlling the level of each instrument from it's own volume control. And of course, mic placement allows more tuning of the mix. For my money, it's definitely something worth trying. It could be advantageous to have a separate room where a person can monitor the mix with headphones.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not crazy at all... in fact shows a clear understanding of what “mixing” means. Another approach... moving the microphones would imitate the effect of a listener moving amongst the musicians.

A performance art piece from the 60’s (maybe 70’s?) involved a mic swinging from the ceiling within a ring of speakers causing various feedback effects.

You and your friend should pursue your idea... you will have fun... you will learn a lot and you will be lauded and appreciated by a vanishingly thin slice of humanity.

Thank you for sharing...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Isn't that how songs were originally recorded, back in the Dark Ages of Technology?

The band, around the one mike (because those things were expensive!) and, when it was time for the solo, the solo-ist stepped forward, closer to the mike for more volume.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I do that in our planetarium, and not only rotating instrument-to-speaker location, but also permuting them as part of the composition, using location-in-the-room just like key, meter, timbre, and other compositional degrees of freedom. Wrote an open access paper A Circular Planetarium as a Spatial Visual Musical Instrument last summer, gave an invited talk at the IMERSA Summit 2019 on immersive media in planetariums & related environments last month. It's a good approach. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

About recording with microphones:
I once took styropor sheets about 2cm thick, and made a head out of it, complete with ears and in the ears I placed electret microphones and here you have a great recording microphone.
I could hear where someone was in the room, not even in direction but also in elevation.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Grumble wrote:
About recording with microphones:
I once took styropor sheets about 2cm thick, and made a head out of it, complete with ears and in the ears I placed electret microphones and here you have a great recording microphone.
I could hear where someone was in the room, not even in direction but also in elevation.

Were the mics omnidirectional or unidirectional? I'd like to try that!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

They were just the standard electret microphones like this:
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I did this about 40 years ago, nowadays more ppl seen to have found this a nice way to record live music, it looked something like this:
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Search for diy binaural microphone and a whole new world opens up on you Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks! Very Happy
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