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VCF-1 Self-Oscillating issue
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:18 pm    Post subject: VCF-1 Self-Oscillating issue
Subject description: Will it self oscillate on a +/-12V power supply?
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I've just bread-boarded the VCF-1 and it sounds great and seems to be working well, but it will not self-oscillate. Not a huge issue but I do feel I'm missing out!
I'm using an LM13700, a TL074 and a TL072. Transistors are a matched pair of 2N3906's and I'm using a 12V+/- power supply. Everything else just like the schematic from Scott's website.
I'd love to get this thing squealing so any suggestions would be most welcome.
Thanks to all.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi and welcome to electro-music.com

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You will get better help results if you post either a link to the schematic or the schematic itself.

As for the VCF while I don't know VCF-1, self oscillation is a function of the feedback circuit for resonance in a filter with more than one pole. That is where the problem is. I would first google to learn if VCF-1 users commonly get self oscillation without any modifications. If that is true then there is probably some build error such as wrong component value or even a bad solder joint. If it needs a mod to self-osc, you need to find it.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:42 am    Post subject: Schematics Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's part 1


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:50 am    Post subject: Schematics Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And here's part 2. I've only breadboarded this, so solder joints are not to blame and the breadboard is fairly new and good quality. Scott Stites explains on his website in the voltage calibration instruction - 'Adjust the resonance and frequency control so that the filter goes into self oscillation.'
https://www.birthofasynth.com/Thomas_Henry/Pages/VCF-1.html
I'm getting great filter sounds but no self-oscillation.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

State variable filter.

So the filter is designed to and should be able to go into self oscillation. I would suspect that there is something not right with the build. Check all parts values. With breadboards, one never knows. It might help to tear it all down and rebuild it.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Looking at the resonance circuit, I see that one end of the resonance pot is almost grounded. It's got a 47 ohm resistor to ground. So it can almost eliminate the signal coming from that stage. Make sure it's a 47 ohm resistor and make sure there's no breadboard funkiness with it's connection. If it's more than 47 ohm, it could act like you describe. funky breadboard connection could increase the resistance. This matters more when there's a situation like that.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for all your suggestions. I've tried everything, including a full rebuild, changed the chips several times, checked the values of everything and it's pretty much the same.
I think the resonance circuit is letting it down but it still sounds good so I'll probably try it on stripboard anyway.
Any more ideas are much appreciated!
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