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selvmarcus
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blue hell
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject:
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I split this off to a new topic, it really didn't belong in the building blocks section under "longer delays".
I'm sorry for any confusion, I may have caused but when I asked you to make a building block article out the multiplexing stuff I meant : a new topic there.
Sorry to be a bit short on this, but I'll check out the patch later, must sleep as well now. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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3phase
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:26 am Post subject:
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I think it sounds very good for the low samplerate...
I see quite a few interesting options for that building block...
Like delay loops with 4 channels aso.
thx,
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3phase
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:23 am Post subject:
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Sorry for bringing this back to delays...but the 2 topics interact quite well
And thanks god we are not in the building blocks wright now...
Problems !...
Just by a short try to go for a 4 channel looper i came along a handful problems...
first.. a single sample delay causes the demux to change the channel...
ok... easy to understand why... every second,third,fourth sample carries an own channel.
So it will be necessary to compensate for additional gimmicks in the delay line with single sample delays...
how this can be done ?... the mixers only delay one sample when you feedback them.
Second...
The clocked quad delay has 4 outputs...
when i use one of the tap outputs the demux gets unaligned and tempo dependent..even when i use 2 delays ( ok..maybe we would need 4 here?)
But ! when i use the mix output everything seems to be in sync..
I only need one delay line and as far i can tell by now it works on all speeds.. not too bad...but...
What is going on here? Is this an undocumented feature?
And the third point for now...
The memory usage... seems that the use of the delay module freezes it somehow... I had the same use 4 the delayline alone than now with all the circuit from selfmarcus. Wha is that? a bug or are there some explanations for that behavior?
Sven Last edited by 3phase on Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Fozzie
Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 875 Location: Near Wageningen, the Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:11 am Post subject:
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3phase wrote: | Sorry for bringing this back to delays...but the 2 topics interact quite well
And thanks god we are not in the building blocks wright now...
Problems !...
Just by a short try to go for a 4 channel looper i came along a handful problems...
first.. a single sample delay causes the demux to change the channel...
ok... easy to understand why... every second,third,fourth sample carries an own channel.
So it will be necessary to compensate for additional gimmicks in the delay line with single sample delays...
how this can be done ?... the mixers only delay one sample when you feedback them.
| Sure, just keep all delay inducing thingies out of the mux / demux part
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Second...
The clocked quad delay has 4 outputs...
when i use one of the tap outputs the demux gets unaligned and tempo dependent..even when i use 2 delays ( ok..maybe we would need 4 here?)
But ! when i use the mix output everything seems to be in sync..
I only need one delay line and as far i can tell by now it works on all speeds.. not too bad...but...
What is going on here? Is this an undocumented feature?
| The feature is documented in the help function / manual: " There is also an additional fifth output with a fixed delay time at the currently selected Range."
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And the third point for now...
The memory usage... seems that the use of the delay module freezes it somehow... I had the same use 4 the delayline alone than now with all the circuit from selfmarcus. Wha is that? a bug or are there some explanations for that behavior?
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Memory load is largely dependent on delay-using modules, so that's not so weird is it? Or do I miss something here?
Just a comment: In Jan's bblock thread I posted a 4x elongated delay, so you could just use the infrastructure from that patch to get your 4 channel delay. Just remove the feedback from the 4 channels. And if you change the quad delay to four identical delay units, it should work on all different delay settings. With the quad delay, it works for some settings and not for others, because the delaylenght in samples is not always dividable by four. |
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ian-s
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:58 am Post subject:
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3phase wrote: | The memory usage... seems that the use of the delay module freezes it somehow... I had the same use 4 the delayline alone than now with all the circuit from selfmarcus. Wha is that? a bug or are there some explanations for that behavior?
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The MEM% is shared between zero page and delay memory, it only shows the larger of the two. So if your patch uses 70% of available delay memory, it wont show zero page % till it is greater than 70%. |
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3phase
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:11 am Post subject:
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ah ja..thanks to all...
i dont see a real point in that 5th output of the quad delay..
Anybody ever has had use for that? exept with beeing exactly on 120 bpm of cause...there it fits somehow... |
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3phase
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selvmarcus
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject:
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Glad you moved it here, Jan!
I might get the building block(s) ready tomorrow,
with (hopefully) cheaper interslot sync.
3phase:
A fixed length sample delay with a non-fitting remainder is no prob, just
rewire the channel outputs accordingly! Example: With 2 channel mux and
one sample delay, you just have to exchange the channels.
And for a 4 channel modulating delay it´s best to use a sequence
of 4 delays with identical settings, indeed.
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3phase
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:27 am Post subject:
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i realized that..
Even when i would wish that reduced samplerate delays would be availible as standard modules ...
But the current developments are very interesting..
Its somehow like with the old nord modular where creativ patchers showed that the system is basically unlimited...it sometimes just needs to think around 2 corners..
I ve to admit that i was a bit lazy patcher lately... But the gift of a digital modular simulation is also its drawback... you really have to work it..
And its the only synth where i ever found the need to comunicate with other users..its a hard nut..digital..but freedom... I really like that there is some progress ...
We all still deal with the instrument and its possebilitys ..expert patchers..newbies...
You allways can find something to learn.
That the nord modular comunity is a nice one is based on this nature of the instrument... |
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3phase
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