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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: circuit sculpture
Subject description: space wiring "atari punk console"
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at kaustic machines page there is this very simple and nice 556 desing. originally from Forrest M. Mims.

i have been thinking for a long time to do things without PCB or stripboard. and now i finally found this, easy enough circuit to try whit.

so here it is:
its kind of sculpture Smile

sorry for the crappy quality (taken whit mobile phone)

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added a on/off switch and speaker + speaker on/off switch

samples are here soon - but there are some on kaustic page.

there are a stripboard layout on DIY stompboxes gallery

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

We used to call that space wiring. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Take a look at Peter Vogel, undisputed king of 'space wiring' and circuit sculptures.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey whats the lovely circular pcb?? Is this actually being used in your circuit? Guessing its some sort of control element??

Oh, those Peter Vogel designs are really very lovely!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

you're using stranded wire right? try some solid copper wire, it really allows for more "shaping". you won't be able to tell a difference in performance either. that could really be crazy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Those Peter Vogel sculptures are beautiful. I've often thought it would be cool to do that kind of stuff. When I'm buying components I often get the weird coloured ones which look like they've been sitting in the drawer for years! Smile
I know alot of technicians don't get into the aesthetics of wiring etc. Maybe it's just the way my creative side works. I always think something which you make with your own hands deserves to be beautiful to look at, even if it's prime function is not a visual one.
I still regard myself as more of a technician than an artist though, as I firmly believe that functionality is the ultimate aesthetic.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bugbrand wrote:
Hey whats the lovely circular pcb?? Is this actually being used in your circuit? Guessing its some sort of control element??

the circular PCB is from cheap multimeter and its not used in the circuit.

Peter Vogel : wow.
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i should try some of that solid wire to get more shape.

i would love to do a WSG"space wired"-edition. but how to attach the potentiometers? -- well maybe i figure out something. all ideas are welcome.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dnny wrote:

i would love to do a WSG"space wired"-edition. but how to attach the potentiometers? -- well maybe i figure out something. all ideas are welcome.

that would be cool. for pots, maybe look into some erector set pieces to suspend the pots, maybe at different levels/directions. and by erector set, i mean just anything like that. i don't know, but i'd be interested to see anything you come up with.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If you get a higher powered soldering iron (than what you'd use for electronics) say 40-60W it makes it quite easy to solder piano wire to pot bodies. The piano wire could form a structural ground connection. (It's usually fine to connect a pot body to ground, there are exceptions though)
By piano wire I mean any slightly tempered steel wire from say 1-2.5mm.
In fact I would use piano wire and any non-electrical contact points (edges of speaker, switch collars, etc) to build the 'structure' first, incorporating the controls in whatever position you like. Then build the functional electronics into the frame they created.
One of the great things about building circuits like this is that you don't need to 'bend' them. As in, when they are finished they are covered with bend points and any potential for tactile circuit interaction is just sitting there waiting to be discovered!
Uh oh,.... I'm getting excited about a new project again!
Must... stop.. urge..... to... start... something ....else.........!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
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Uh oh,.... I'm getting excited about a new project again!


Those Vogel pics nearly trapped me into wanting solder again as well.

In the past I'd been soldering some 3d objects, but no electronics was involved. Just wiire frames. No special steel wire, just diirt cheap iron with zinc on it or something (for gardening I guess), and that worked pretty well.

BTW You can easily make straight wires by stretching the wire and rotating it a few turns with a drill for instance.

Actually the 3D objects might have been about the last things I soldered - but I arranged me a new iron a while ago, so who knows, I'll need some better glases though Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

How about Bonsai wire? A bit expensive but very flexible and available in different thicknesses. Barbed wire would be interesting too!

Potentiometers: You could suspend a short transparent perspex strip somewhere in your sculpture and mount pots and switches on it.... Or you could build the sculpture inside a perspex box and randomly mount the controls on the outer surface.

Does anyone remeber a TV prog. called Blakes 7 from the 70s?? They used to have a talking electronic brain (ie: an AI computer type thingy) in a perspex box full of wires and lights that illuminated when the brain spoke. "His" name was Orac.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just in case anyone wanted a quick trip down memory lane (or an intro to B7 cheeseyness):

http://www.blakes-7.co.uk/chars/orac/orac.shtml

And here's the DIY orac:

http://www.blakes-7.co.uk/gadgets/orac.shtml


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Mr Swirling Vortex Man wrote:
Just in case anyone wanted a quick trip down memory lane (or an intro to B7 cheeseyness):

http://www.blakes-7.co.uk/chars/orac/orac.shtml

And here's the DIY orac:

http://www.blakes-7.co.uk/gadgets/orac.shtml


!!!!!


The problem with perspex is that is very expensive- and to work with it to yield results like this, you really need power/ precision tools which not all people have here.

Can we keep orac to one side and stay on-topic? Thanks Smile

Great thread btw Dnny Very Happy

What's this all about at the Kaustic Machines website? Whats this Komrad Modular?? Shocked Wink

I love the look of that Vogel sculpture stuff- really spidery too Idea Cool
I went to a similar kind of thing in the late 70's which was an exhibition of electronic sound sculptures which had obviously drawn on Vogel's ideas. I thought it was so original then- obviously not!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice Dnny, I been following that thread over at the Stompbox forum. Was thinking of makin one for a friends B-day this weekend. I like the looks of this http://compiler.kaustic.net/machines/vanishing-moon.html too. Nice job, it looks small.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, I love the look of that little tremelo circuit. Simple idea, well executed.
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I made the APC over the weekend for a friends B_DAY. Pretty darn cool. Always nice to have a nice small noise box in the arsenal. Need to find more projects like these Very Happy . I used the vero layout dnny mentioned. pretty easy just watch the jumpers under the IC. I forgot and put the socket on first Embarassed Went together well after that. I still gotta cross my fingers when I fire em' up though. Thanks to Dragonfly for the layout.

Build it, you'll like it. Is there a beginners section here? Like a beginner project? I guess I could look, but this might be a good one. There is probably a more simple project, surely.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:25 pm    Post subject: Jack Dollhausen
Subject description: More electronic art
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Jack Dollhausen, an art professor at Washington State University, builds some really beautiful sculptures from electronic components. All are designed to respond to the environment with sound and light. His web site has some of the circuits he uses.

At the Seattle Dorkbot lecture he talked about a program for a sculpture that would make interesting and different melodies for 30 years.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks for that link - some quite impressive stuff.
I specially like the way chips are being wired whit stranded wire in this pic :

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

a friend shot my sequencer.


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This isn't "space wiring" ?! Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

it isn´t? I thought space wiring means components in the air, like the 60 diodes and cabs in the pics.
Anyway, i just kind of liked the photo, so i posted. BTW, replacing one of those switches in the lower row was like going to...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Looks like space wiring to me. Laughing

Nice pics...

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It´s possible that this has been posted here before, anyway, i think it fits right here. It´s not a synth, althoug it is a kind of sequencer.
Lots of pictures. Spacewiring.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Man! Shocked
I can't read German very well, but looking through those pictures was like watching a documentary about someone climbing Everest. The amazing thing is that this is how electronic circuitry used to be built. It's no wonder that it was all sooooo expensive. Even down to the waxed twine loom bindings! Brilliant! Cool
The one thing I would like to know is why? What is it? A clock of some sort? Did they build it so that, when a nuke goes off a couple of kilometers away, they'll still be able to tell what time it is? Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Exactly!
This is a tube adabtion of a standard ttl digital clock.
All Flipflops clocked by 100hz generaited from the power supply.
Heating alone consumes 245W.
And this is just a clock!
He talks about learning from an old buissnes calculator with 2000 Tubes...
And imagine the first computers! Big as a house.

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