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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: using algorithmic midi sources to control modular? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Back in the days before i found synth diy, when i was mainly using plug-ins to create many sounds, I used to come across MIDI plug-ins alot, some of them were standard fare (like appregiators) and some were more exotic (xoxos made some algorithmic ones...random cc value generators or note data in response to variables). now i lost most of those plugins (dead hard-drive) and am looking for new ones.

i was just wondering if and how you all go about incorporating your computers into your modular setup. I am thinking about dusting off Bidule to start setting up some sort of random note midi patches. So if any of you know of any good programs or especially PLUGINS for this type of data creation, let me know. and if this is the wrong place to be posting this, let me know. i imagine that there must be some new plugins available or even new apps that some of you could recommend.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not what your looking for - but I thought it would be great to use max/msp with a modular - shame it costs so much
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

 
I'm using Max/MSP to drive my modular. It seems like a good fit. I don't have to "change brains" too much when using the pair.

A little info about what I'm doing can be found here: http://www.xfade.com/Gyre
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Maybe look at : http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-6817.html
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks guys

i also just found out that Energy XT (which i like even more than bidule for some apps) is available for OSX now!

yipee.

also, does anyone know if any of the objects in bidule can drive midi?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

loss1234 wrote:
available for OSX now!


Oops, thought you were on a PC ... we have http://electro-music.com/forum/forum-124.html as well, but not as convenient for finding free software.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

 
I haven't used it, but the Numerology sequencer strikes me as a good fit for use with a modular.
http://www.five12.com/

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

PC or mac (or emulator) is fine. i found on article yesterday that said that there are some great algorithmic programs of the atari emulator....

anyway.

thanks all.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The grand daddy of Atari based algorithmic software would be Tunesmith, by Dr. T's Music Software. If you could get an Atari emulator to talk to your MIDI ports, that'd be noteworthy (no pun intended).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I use Max/MSP. Learning curve is a little steep but you can do so much with it. I've used it to send CCs to a MIDI/CV converter controlling a modular synth. I also did the same with a Nord G2 -- it sends MIDI CCs out and you can create all sorts of algorithmic stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

the max/msp option just costs so much. has anyone had any luck with PD? i know thats free.

also, are there any reaktor patches worth mentioning that work with or on MIDI?

i have reaktor and PD so those might be starting points.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

For OS X, also take a look at Cycling 74's M

http://www.cycling74.com/products/M

As with any MIDI app, you'll need a multi-channel MIDI-to-CV convertor to control a modular. M is easier to get into than Max, though, and they have a free demo version (or at least they used to.) It's only $74, though, or less with a student discount.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

good news!!

i just downloaded a whole slew of new APPS for free for STEEM the atari st emulator.

i made a track already running schoneberg5 software out through my midi interface into my paia midi2cv into my modular.

three tracks and some reverb recorded into logic. plus another track of me playing a bass line on the modular live

this atari thing might be the answer!!

thanks guys

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There is also vvvv: a multipurpose toolkit.
http://vvvv.org/tiki-forums.html
It can do lots of stuff. And it's free.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cbm wrote:
 
I haven't used it, but the Numerology sequencer strikes me as a good fit for use with a modular.
http://www.five12.com/

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+1 for Numerology
I use it with the modular all the time - works great, it's fun and easy to use.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Max/MSP costs a bit, but the support is excellent. Also there are so many quality patches and externals out there, many for free. IMO it really is the most robust option. And if you just want algorithmic MIDI, you don't even need MSP, so that halves the price. For someone getting started, Max blazes even on older machines so you could scoop up "passe" hardware for cheap. Max, an old PowerMac 8600, and a DX7 can still do tricks that scarcely anything else will. If one's got a fast machine and MSP then better still. I'd say Max is perfect for this stuff.

PD does sound like a great thing, but personally I have had little luck with it. I have tried several times and only recently did I even get it to do anything. Just seems harder to get started with, less feedback for the user. I'm sure it's powerful if one knows how to use it. Baffles me though.

IRCAMs OpenMusic is a very "musical" way to get into algorithmic music. The focus seems more high-level than Max, with LISP objects representing musical events. Learning curve less steep than Max. Not so real-time though, more for composition. Still, it's symbolic nature makes linear MIDI sequencers in DAWs look archaic.

For algo MIDI instruments which don't need to be patched together from so many pieces, I strongly recommend Numerology. It is a great bargain and absurdly fun to use. Very easy to get started with. The app is solid and reliable, can just do MIDI and/or host Audiounits. Numerology is one of the only sequencers which offers fully digital HUI and features but can also easily do analog-style sequencing. Even varying length sequences run at different clock divisions! Ever since there was real-time MIDI sequencing, I waited for something like Numerology to happen.

And I agree wholeheartedly about Dr. T software! The man was and is a visionary, and his music software even from about twenty years ago does things which have no equal, no comparison in any software which has come since. I have an Atari just so that I can run my Dr T stuff. Unfortunately my workshop/studio is too much of a mess now so I don't have my Falcon set up, but it is very much a priority. TuneSmith is one of the few apps which don't seem to run on the Falcon, but KCS/Omega, XOR, PVG, and MIDI Axe are all amazing. Very fun to explore. And of course there are Atari ST emulators if the original hardware isn't available, STeem works best. I am (slowly!) fixing up a second Atari also. There is so much amazing software for these machines, much of which can be downloaded for free from Tim Conrardy's site.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've found PD works pretty well. It's not easy to start with but I don't think that Max/MSP is either. You really need to dedicate a lot of time to get anywhere with it.

I'd download the pd-extended installer because it makes setting it up easier.

Then I'd go through the tutorials included with the installer. There is a cool pink-floyd patch that is fun to play with.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

if you've got STeem going, by all means get 'TUNESMITH'.
The coolest algorithmic MIDI source I've ever used. It's pretty interactive, too.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have used STeem in the past, but I don't usually keep a Windoze box running. I can't justify having one machine just to run an emulator of another...

So on my back burner I am gradually fixing up an Atari Mega4. I intend to install it in a rack chassis and add a few mods. Dual HD floppies, SCSI, VGA adaptor, MIDI mults. At this rate it could be a year or two before I get around to it.

As I recall, the only ST apps which haven't run on my Falcon are TuneSmith and TBasic. I tweeked the setup on my Falcon last time though so I should try them again. I miss playing with my ataris.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey loss, that is an interesting piece!
It sounds like you are on to something there... Cool

CJ: Out of curiosity, in what way did you use the DX7 with Max?
Is it possible to put in "edit" mode and then just feed it sysex or something?
I have a DX7II that I always wanted to be able to do something more interesting with. Unfortunately I haven't come across any cheap Jellinghaus programmers lately Wink .
Would love to do something via midi though... Any pointers?

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Coriolis :thanks for the encouragement!!

you know ever since i have built this modular i have ended up with HOURS of recordings that i dont know what the heck to do with! i thought it was bad enough having hundreds of un-used pop songs but NOW i have gig after gig of weird synth music Smile

what to do with it all!!

thanks again

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

loss1234 wrote:

what to do with it all!!


Donate some of it to someone less prolific Wink

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