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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:28 pm    Post subject: beat amateur: blue monday track Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's the title track off my first release. The goal of this track was to experiment with the idea of layering distinct synth sounds to create a new overall sound for playing out a nice theme (heterophonic?) over which to sprinkle some pleasant melodies.

I tend to view this track and others from the album as demo-quality, given my software & experience limitations. Also, the mix setup was seriously lacking.

This one's for you, elektro80!

b.a.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very Happy
Hey, I like this one. At first the melodic stances sounds a bit strict, but after 30 secs or so this starts to sound just fine. I guess I was like starting to play along on a Fender Rhodes.. a virtual one.. hehe.. some jazzy stuff. This is very interesting and you should really explore this terrain more. I like the melodic excursions, they are far from obvious and .. yes.. I find this very exciting. And I love all those small details in there. Very Happy

The sounds themselves makes me thing about the early Larry Fast Synergy material.

I would like to know some about how ou made this one. gear and the lot? You say this is demo quality.. whatever that is.. any idea where you would take this if you were to produce it again for prime time?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Classical music can be considered a form of art music in that it pushes the limits of what we understand about music theory, performance, and appreciation. This track was written with the explicit intent of using a less predictable harmonic structure since popular music (including electronic music) often uses harmonic structures that repeat regularly and frequently. The harmonic structure of this track, while not advancing our understanding of music theory, is a little less straightforward than a typical electronic music track.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very nice laid back mood... Mellow... Relaxing...

I like the obtuse melody line...

I'm with Elektro on this..
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
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I would like to know some about how ou made this one. gear and the lot? You say this is demo quality.. whatever that is.. any idea where you would take this if you were to produce it again for prime time?


Glad to hear you're enjoying the track Cool

My gear setup at the time consists of one computer. I use 'Mod' software (e.g., www.modplug.com) to manually 'program' tracks using sound samples. It's an interesting approach despite its limitations. The software takes a single sound sample and generates new pitches by playing the sample at varying speeds. Writing the music consists of entering note values in a spreadsheet-style interface that uses rows to progressively represent time, and columns to represent individual tracks. It's sort of an old digital music tradition, originating with the Amiga.

As for the demo quality, that's my way of indicating the limitations imposed by the software, my mixing setup, and my inexperience. For this track in particular, I think there was some considerable overlap in the frequency domain between instruments that at times interferes with the leading voice. Other minor stuff too, like tweaking reverb levels and fixing some (possible?) distortion points.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm familiar with the MOD methodology. It's facinating. One of our members here, Static Probe Emitter, also uses a tracker. His music is quite exciting.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey, I use ModPlug sometimes! I've tried out almost all of the tracker programs available, and this one was the most comfortable.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I wonder... do you have some sort of midi output from this program? Or midi file export?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I also found Modplug tracker the easiest to learn. Unfortunately its development seems to be slowing down; it's not as XP-friendly as some other trackers. I'm temporarily using Skale tracker on my friend's XP system but it's got some limitations.

Modplug does have the capacity to record Midi. However, the software's rate of playing notes might limit this function. It doesn't quite work like Cubase or other digital recorder/editor. I think you can also save your work as midi files... Idea will look into this, since I'm trying to find a convenient approach for interfacing tracked recordings with live recordings.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Do you think the "MOD" programs gave way to a particular style of music? Maybe some special sort of techno?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm not the most active tracking scene member, but my impression is that it's used disproportionately more often to create video game music. Lots of trance as well, partly I think because synthesized sounds are much easier to work with... imagine which sound gets mangled worse when you speed it up or slow it down: a recording of a sax playing middle C or a single-oscillator sine wave at middle C. Despite this particular limitation, some people do create jazz and rock music by tracking.

Most tracking software provides a fairly useful way around the mangling problem by mapping multiple samples to a single 'instrument'. If you have a saxophone recorded at C-3, C-4, and C-5 you can map the instrument to switch over to the appropriate sample as you play through the octaves.

None of my existing work capitalized on this, which practically doubles the range any instrument can play. I just stumbled upon it recently and am making good use of a decent vibraphone...
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