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Apple killed Logic 9 - no manuals included!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:49 am    Post subject: Apple killed Logic 9 - no manuals included!
Subject description: They killed a perfectly nice application! Shame on you!
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All hate posts goes in this thread!

And do remember to post your comments to Apple as well:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/logicpro.html

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I haven`t got Logic 9 yet, but I doubt that this is true.

Here is a link to an introduction called "Exploring Logic Pro 9":

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/Exploring_Logic_Pro_9.pdf

And this is a quote from p.165 in the introductory-pdf:

"Exploring Logic Pro Help
Logic Pro Help provides in-depth descriptions and instructions about the features and controls (the tasks you can perform) with Logic Pro.

Try This
Open the Logic Pro User Manual:
In Logic Pro, choose Help > Logic Pro Help, then click Logic Pro 9: User Manual.

Open the Logic Studio Instruments manual:
In Logic Pro, choose Help > Logic Pro Help, then click Logic Studio: Instruments.

Open the Logic Studio Effects manual:
In Logic Pro, choose Help > Logic Pro Help, then click Logic Studio: Effects."

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So, it looks like the big manuals are buried in the Help Menu...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sorry,

It looks like the "manuals" I referred to above are short and crappy web pages - not the real thing.

Give us the 1000+ pages in pdf!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hooray! This campsite has internet! Very Happy (and I can't sleep! Shocked )

Come on lets face it, who read the manual anyway? Most kids who are using Logic these days are being taught the basics either at school or at college- so there is no need for 1000 page pdf's any more. And in any Applestore you can get either free advice or pay for advanced advice. I think Apple are finding that 1to1 training is very popular (I always prefer someone to show me rather than reading dry and boring manuals! Wink )

Too bad that I never seem to have the time these days to use or play with Logic Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Paul Norheim wrote:
Sorry,

It looks like the "manuals" I referred to above are short and crappy web pages - not the real thing.


That is exactly the point! The online help system for Logic 9 is an embarassing Reader´s Digest version for those who won´t read the manuals anyway. Shocked Sad

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BTW... Paul Norheim! welcome
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks, electro80.

I think Peter Kirn over at Create Digital Music will ask Apple about the missing manual later this week.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

FYI, this is from an exchange between Peter Kirn and me today at createdigitalmusic.com:

"Peter Kirn
Oh, I see — they’ve just gone Web/HTML only. I’ll see if they include a local copy; would be crazy if they didn’t. In some ways, that’s easier to deal with than a PDF, and I certainly won’t miss a bunch of heavy, paper manuals.

July 28, 2009 @ 6:41 am

Paul Norheim
Peter, I`m afraid the online manual is, to quote a guy at the electro-music forum, “a Reader´s Digest version for those who won´t read the manuals anyway”.

I think the 1000 pages`manual is gone. I guess it was a question of budget and time, and they decided that they couldn`t afford the work. However, I`m sure the many users who actually read the excellent manuals (me included), will be outraged. With such a complex application, a good manual is indispensable. Please tell them!

July 28, 2009 @ 11:00 am

Peter Kirn
Yeah, indeed, it looks like the actual *copy* from the original manual has been nuked. Given that there are only subtle changes from Logic 8 to the vast majority of functionality, that’s really surreal. So this will be high on my (ahem, increasingly lengthy) set of questions.

July 28, 2009 @ 11:01 am"
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Peter Kirn will talk to Apple about Logic Studio 9 later this week.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Paul Norheim wrote:

Peter Kirn will talk to Apple about Logic Studio 9 later this week.


I don´t think that is a smart move at all. Right now Peter Kirn should try to salvage the BeatKangz disaster. That being said, I hope they paid him some serious money for that grand marketing job he did there.. but.. as their campaign is viral, an important part of the whole scam is to not pay a dime.



When that BeatKangz cleanup job is done then I think he is ready for a fistfight with Steve Jobs.

Go Peter! Go! Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well at least PDF files are now available:

http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BobTheDog wrote:
Well at least PDF files are now available:

http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/


Is it just me? When I pay a few hundred dollars for a very complex program the expectation of a hardcopy manual is there.

I found the Logic 8 manuals very valuable when learning the software. Unfortunately, it seems like manufacturers, software developers included are cheeping out. I would imagine the CEO's in a meeting said "hey we could save money by not giving a hardcopy manual..." most likely followed by some idea of selling us a tutorial.

Just another reason I won't be upgrading.

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