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need help with going from a melody to a full song..!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:29 pm    Post subject:  need help with going from a melody to a full song..!
Subject description: Need help from someone who have been in the same situation..
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Hi, i got this problem that im shure everyone have been trough when they startet with their music producing..!

I make good melodies, i feel that i got all the potential i need to make a living out of music..!
but theres something i have 2 evolve in before i can make it there..! (Im making electro/progressive trance)

i havent gone to any music school, i just started with music on fl studio for 2 years ago,
but i can easily here what fits and not, and base mostly my music on chords.

i have 3 main problems that i would love 2 get an answer to.. Smile

1.
I almost never complete my songs, because i dont know how to structure it properly, so how can i train at getting this right ? or is it somewhere i can get help for this?

2.
Even if i have my melodies playing, it still lack the effects and ambient touch 2 it.. is it anywhere (A studio)
i can get help from someone 2 ad this 2 my song(s) or an way 2 learn this?

3.
what kind of education do i need for getting better at making electronic music? music engeneering, producing maby?

i would be really glad i someone can answer 1 or more of this problems of mine Smile

thank you

Andreas
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome Andreas.

You should understand the forms of music (look up the term). Basic music theory (circle of 4ths, circle of 5ths, the scales, modes, and keys), just go do it. You don't have to be able to play all scales and modes on an instrument, but it helps a lot to be able to. It certainly helps with something like FL to be able to hear in your head what you want to do first.

Or else, listen to the genre, and work with that. Or listen to other genres and then mix and match.

If you can hear a tune in your head, you've got a gift to develop. The development does involve getting a bit of an education.

But that education can be listening to the genre you like, so it doesn't have to be all work and no play.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i also hear music in my head but manytimes when i lay them down i have to rewrite them by using music theory ( i learn lot of it )to make them more memorable.
A lot of people can hear melodies in their heads but it's up to their musical ability to bring them out into good music form.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This article is a little lacking, but it might be of interest:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_structure_(popular_music)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

To create, you need just your ears and soul, nothing else, no theory.

But, if you're starting out, take notice of some of these things and transpose to your own music:

Music is a combination of rhythmic, chordal and melodic progression.

1. Much of pop, trance has a very regular rhythmic pattern (4/4): count the beats (e.g. the kick drums in a simple song), and you'll hear that the song changes every multiple of 4 counts.

2. Secondly, the most basic pop structure (arrangement) for a song is:
Verse(s) -> Chorus (repeat ad infinitum).

In practice, the simple pop songs will have the following structure:
Intro-> Verse 1 -> Verse 2 -> Chorus 1 -> Verse 1 -> Verse 2 -> Chorus 2 ->Ending.

Many songs also include a 'break' near the 2/3 of the song to provide a solo, or some breathing space or variety. So, taking into account point #1, this break would be 8 bars of music or some other multiple of... 4 or 8 usually. Some repeat the Chorus ad lib on the ending.

After you've managed to build good simple songs with these simple structures and rhythmic composition, then you can explore more complex ones.

Master this first as this is the most important thing.

Using effects is not difficult at all. Start with just 3 of the main ones and explore these at first:
1. Delay/Echo
2. Reverb
3. Chorus

These three are used a lot for ambience. Just a properly-timed delay (think about point #1 again here: if your beats are 4 per bar, try to set the delay to echo at intermediate regular steps in sync with the tempo) and a reverb do wonders on a basic riff.

Start simple, you'll add layers of knowledge with time - there's a lot to learn if you want to compose, record, mix and master on your own.

Enjoy composing, looking forward to hearing your creations and if you have other questions, just ask.
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