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2 Osc stereo signal flow?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:26 am    Post subject: 2 Osc stereo signal flow?
Subject description: How to procede a patch with panning for each osc
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Hello,
I'm new to the NMG2 and I'm trying to build my own patch.
My problem: I have two Osc and I want to be able to pan each Osc. So I inserted a panning module after each Osc and then I feed those into the mixer module. The mixer has to outputs (L and R). How do I procede to feed those two outputs into an envelope (or a filter in between), which has just one input?
Sorry for being such a dummy...
Thanks,
Florian


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:47 am    Post subject: Re: 2 Osc stereo signal flow?
Subject description: How to procede a patch with panning for each osc
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flonky wrote:
How do I procede to feed those two outputs into an envelope (or a filter in between), which has just one input?


You need to use two, with all controls and inputs being the same .. or vary them a bit for liveliness ...

In the case of an envelope ... its possible to use one, but hen you need a multiplier module for the 2nd channel which is contolled by the ENV output of the envelope module (2nd from right at bottom).

Or turn the thing inside out, and use envelope and or filter before the pan module .. you still need two then of course, but its more clear when the two parts start to differ in their settings .. probably.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This seems quite complicated and complex to use two filters, envelopes, etc. in order to be able to just pan two oscillators.
Panning two oscillators isn't such a big demand for a synth.
Strange...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Florian,

My guess is that you want to scroll from 1 sound to the other.
Otherwise, what is the point to separate signals and let them come together in 1 device(module).
You can find the X-Mixer in the mixer map.
2 separate ins to 1 out.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

In fact the idea is to spread to oscillators, slightly detune each one and then pan a bit to the left and a bit to the right...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So you mean this?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That is what I meant, yes, thank you Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Roland Kuit wrote:
So you mean this?


Thanks for your help!
It's getting close, I learned some new stuff but...
... how do I insert a filter (with its own envelope) that affects both channels L and R?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
That is what I meant, yes, thank you Cool


You're welcome Smile

+ added filter and LFO.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

flonky wrote:

... how do I insert a filter (with its own envelope) that affects both channels L and R?


Does anybody have an idea?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here you go, even with two ADSR's. You can delete 1 if you want. You have to connect the ADSR to both filters in that case:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for your time and patience! I'm currently learning...
From your patch I learned that for two panable oscillators I need two separate filters each with its own envelope, two separate LFOs with all their controls etc.
Now I wonder why it is so complicated and complex to build a synthesizer with the G2 with two oscillators each with its own panning?
In my eyes it's a quite usual and common synthesis concept to have two oscillators that you can detune and pan then both running into a filter etc. (e.g. Sylenth1, Virus TI, Twin2, Synthmaster, Omnisphere, Dune2)
A simple two oscillators subtractive synth is easy to build with the G2 but once you want to be able to pan the two oscillators it gets really confusing and complex and you have to build modules for each oscillator.
Weird...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It is as complicated as 'under the hood' of e.g. Sylenth1, Virus TI, Twin2, Synthmaster, Omnisphere, Dune2. Here, you only have to tweak knobs but a fixed structure is below. Altering the structure by knobs and switches.

Maybe you will find this a downsite.
The upside is, when understanding patch structures, you can make far more complex/interesting things than the synths mentioned above.
Your own things where your imagination (and DSP) is the limit.

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