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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Ochestration for piano
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hey-

not an electro question at all, but i'm trying to dig up some information here.

I have my Adler and Kennen Orchestration texts out and I'm looking for "Recommended lower interval limits" for the piano. I can't find anything at all.

At what point is a 3rd too muddy? A 6th? I take it that the perfect intervals can make it a little lower than the Majors, on account of their hollowness?

If you could point me to a page or just have the information, I'd appreciate it either way.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: Ochestration for piano
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At what point is a 3rd too muddy?

Use your ears and judgement Idea

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:58 am    Post subject: Re: Ochestration for piano
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seraph wrote:
Low Note wrote:

At what point is a 3rd too muddy?

Use your ears and judgement Idea


This is good advice! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

well, for one thing - I don't own a piano! I don't really trust a sampled one to be completely faithful in this area. And the only pianos I have access to are generally out of tune and need a good deal of servicing.

I'm just starting to wonder if its mentioned in any book though - my teacher made it sound like this wouldn't be hard information to seek out at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Why not check out some notation for songs in the same style? Transcriptions and stuff like that? And then you´ll get some ideas? Is this jazz or what?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nobody made the piano sound as rich and full as Brahms did.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I doubt I'll be able to find my orchestration books but if nobody answers before tonight, I can check on my piano when I get home. I don't have a piano at the office (wonder if I could figure out a way to swing that).

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
Why not check out some notation for songs in the same style? Transcriptions and stuff like that? And then you´ll get some ideas? Is this jazz or what?


Right. There is no way to answer that question without the context of the specific aesthetic objectives.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

well its simple block diads at half note = 80ish.

I think the other reason my teacher mentioned it is that we were playing on a pretty nasty upright piano so he couldn't really demonstrate. The real use for orchestration books is that they (should) consider both the optimal and realistic situations one might be writing for. The book's recommendations are based more on what you have immediately right in front of you, which for non-electronic music, is a very real issue for composition.

But I definitely agree with the sentiment. It tends to be my approach as well, but I'm trying to temper it a little!

Any recommendations on Brahms piano music? I'm sorta new to this piano world. I'm much more at home with wind instruments.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Low Note wrote:
Any recommendations on Brahms piano music? I'm sorta new to this piano world. I'm much more at home with wind instruments.


What comes to mind first are the piano accompaniments to the violin sonatas and clarinet sonatas (the latter of which also exist for viola). I don't know the solo piano repertoire as closely (a gap in my knowledge Sad ).

And, whether or not you learn anything about orchestration from them, the piano concerti are absolutely required listening. #1 will be one of my favorite pieces until the day I die.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

that's a really good recommendation, actually, because i need to study more on piano accompaniment. And string writing. I just need the time to spend with a recording and a score.
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