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Low Note
Joined: Jul 20, 2007 Posts: 146 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject:
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hey-
not an electro question at all, but i'm trying to dig up some information here.
I have my Adler and Kennen Orchestration texts out and I'm looking for "Recommended lower interval limits" for the piano. I can't find anything at all.
At what point is a 3rd too muddy? A 6th? I take it that the perfect intervals can make it a little lower than the Majors, on account of their hollowness?
If you could point me to a page or just have the information, I'd appreciate it either way. |
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seraph
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:24 am Post subject:
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Low Note wrote: |
At what point is a 3rd too muddy? |
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elektro80
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:58 am Post subject:
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seraph wrote: | Low Note wrote: |
At what point is a 3rd too muddy? |
Use your ears and judgement |
This is good advice! _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Low Note
Joined: Jul 20, 2007 Posts: 146 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:39 am Post subject:
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well, for one thing - I don't own a piano! I don't really trust a sampled one to be completely faithful in this area. And the only pianos I have access to are generally out of tune and need a good deal of servicing.
I'm just starting to wonder if its mentioned in any book though - my teacher made it sound like this wouldn't be hard information to seek out at all. |
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elektro80
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:41 am Post subject:
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Why not check out some notation for songs in the same style? Transcriptions and stuff like that? And then you´ll get some ideas? Is this jazz or what? _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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dewdrop_world
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Keysandslots
Joined: Aug 18, 2006 Posts: 266 Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:30 am Post subject:
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I doubt I'll be able to find my orchestration books but if nobody answers before tonight, I can check on my piano when I get home. I don't have a piano at the office (wonder if I could figure out a way to swing that).
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bachus
Joined: Feb 29, 2004 Posts: 2922 Location: Up in that tree over there.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:01 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | Why not check out some notation for songs in the same style? Transcriptions and stuff like that? And then you´ll get some ideas? Is this jazz or what? |
Right. There is no way to answer that question without the context of the specific aesthetic objectives. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Low Note
Joined: Jul 20, 2007 Posts: 146 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject:
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well its simple block diads at half note = 80ish.
I think the other reason my teacher mentioned it is that we were playing on a pretty nasty upright piano so he couldn't really demonstrate. The real use for orchestration books is that they (should) consider both the optimal and realistic situations one might be writing for. The book's recommendations are based more on what you have immediately right in front of you, which for non-electronic music, is a very real issue for composition.
But I definitely agree with the sentiment. It tends to be my approach as well, but I'm trying to temper it a little!
Any recommendations on Brahms piano music? I'm sorta new to this piano world. I'm much more at home with wind instruments. |
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dewdrop_world
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject:
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Low Note wrote: | Any recommendations on Brahms piano music? I'm sorta new to this piano world. I'm much more at home with wind instruments. |
What comes to mind first are the piano accompaniments to the violin sonatas and clarinet sonatas (the latter of which also exist for viola). I don't know the solo piano repertoire as closely (a gap in my knowledge ).
And, whether or not you learn anything about orchestration from them, the piano concerti are absolutely required listening. #1 will be one of my favorite pieces until the day I die.
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Low Note
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject:
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that's a really good recommendation, actually, because i need to study more on piano accompaniment. And string writing. I just need the time to spend with a recording and a score. |
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