Have any of you considerd selling

[Dragon2Love]

Have any of you seen the circuit bent projects that were on ebay. Grant it the cost of building them would cost money but that is part of the fun. You build a working project. You test it functional ability and then you sell it. I am considering doing this for money after I get done selling what I have on hand.

What do you guys think. Would it be a do or fail?

[toybox]

Do what you want. but i think the nostalgia for bent stuff has gone down a construable amount and the competition is high. With the competition so high it has made the prices for more desirable unmodified items skyrocket. This is why i abandoned circuit bending for quite awhile until recently. I did it for my own satisfaction not for profit. I don't bash on sellers some have been vary helpful..I do think you should take every thing into consideration. Also your question is also kinda (word i try to avoid!)Taboo i think as this being a forum for making not selling.

[Danno Gee Ray]

What do you propose to sell?

Average bent stuff?

Pieces of art that are backed up by guarantees of operability and replacement?

The market dictates. Making a living on a niche is difficult at best.
If you're not the best, it will be very difficult.

Make your bends, sell what you can to support the art. Wouldn't plan on making a living on it though. A few have been lucky enough to do so. A boat load have struggled to make it.

Find another way..,.sounds like you're too mercenary to last long.

[Danno Gee Ray]

Maybe the last line of my last post was a little harsh.

I just know that a lot of people have invested a lot of time and effort in finding, recording, sharing and posting their results. There are a lot of cool things that can be done in the world of bending and repurposing. If you can come up with something unique...Go for it.

If you're copying others work, and doing nothing to further the art form...Harsh

[electri-fire]

I've considered selling stuff I don't use,but I won't because...

1 The amount of work invested in some devices would require huge prizes. They are custom built after all.
2 I've had loads of help and support from other benders, and yes, I have even been copying some techniques. I wouldn't want to rip off those that have to do this for a living.
3 I'm too lazy.

So... I'd rather give instruments away to friends or trade my stuff for devices bent by others. If I would buy stuff it would be to bend it even further.

If you want to be successful make yourself a reputation of having great products and customer support by posting your instruments, publishing your bends and being an active forum member.

Build yourself a unique and playable instrument before you start selling. I'm not very often impressed by stuff on ebay. Anyone can do a pitchbend and some screaming feedback and distortions. Find yourself a less known bending target that is not too hard to find or overly expensive due to it's reputation of being bendable (so not Speak&Spell etc.) and make multiple versions, get to know the device inside out. When someone posts something REALLY cool on Youtube there's often someone among the comments that goes: "WOW, where can I get one"? Or: "I want to buy this". You will know you're on the right track when you could accomplish that.

Don't expect to make a lot of money.

[imaguitargod]

Ya, there's so many people out there selling stuff so the market is kind of flooded. I dont' purchase bent stuff because I know how bending stuff can go. One minute it works fine, the next it's broken.

Even if I was given some sort of guarentee I'd be (and am) iffy on buying stuff. I'd rather spend my time and money on braking stuff myself

[Dragon2Love]

OK, I got it; However, I still want to build things and sell them. I think a good start is building a simple piano that has nothing but electronic noise created from feed back of an op amp for each key.

I am going to experiment with several designs and if it becomes a success I will see if I cant get it patented with the sails I get. I have done a little research on them.

[imaguitargod]

[Danno Gee Ray]

Yes, good luck.

[electri-fire]

[Dragon2Love]

My idea was to sell them on Ebay but your idea is better. Although I want to be sure that no one copies my circuit to sell. I would rather them just using for their own use. I know that there are such thing as the key board Korg and Moog. Those things are expensive and I want to make something that people who want to start out with pure electronic noise have something affordable.

[toybox]

Ok the encouragement for learning and new ideas is the whole concept on these diy forums. alot of people have given their knowledge to further support others in this hobby. if you take time and look around at the projects given by some vary smart synth builders, circuit benders and so on... (and do it with no personal gain)you may start to see some thing in it.

as i stated before i see no problem with people selling their projects. I have had friends ask me to build them stuff and i don't see a problem with that (but I never done it I have my own projects that need time found for them) so try not to take offense in what i say...my guess is you seen some things you liked on ebay decided you'd like to do that (and if you do that why not make some money!) my suggestion is put the thought of money to the side. take time to learn as im sure you have the need to do. think about projects you'd like to have and not the fastest thing you can sell.its not as easy as that. (others on this topic have given you vary sound advice.)

I don't like to discourage anyone for much of anything but to go looking on a DIY sight in ways to make money is not a good thing.. as from one of your other post looking to learn (something different)

So I vary much so! encourage you to stay learn build your self some equipment that someone with deep pockets can't even get and enjoy all the knowledge you get from it..

[Dragon2Love]

A simple oscillator is an op amp that feeds back on itself. I am still learning the basics but if I experiment without copying circuits would it not be possible to build something of my own to sell. Components have a range of voltage and there is such things as tolerance for things like resistors and capacitors.

As long as I stay within those guidelines I should not have any problems. When a patent is made the idea is broken down to the basics of what the invention does. If I find a good circuit I can change it and make it work differently so that I am not copying.

[toybox]

Sorry we all are wrong! You are going to be Rich!!!



and after that maybe you'll have the time to learn how to read schematics and such
http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?highlight=dragon2love&t=38162

[blue hell]

[blue hell]

But try safely at least, dont promise things that you dont have ... that'd make such an awful mess ...

[Dragon2Love]

[toybox]

Ok

[Dragon2Love]

Well I knew what it means when there is represented as triangle but when it is a rectangle and has multiple lines coming out of it, I am lost.

[toybox]

Ok I see I misunderstood. but that's even easier it is just the pinout you will see a top indicator marking then form left down example.. pin1,2,3,4, from right up it's 5,6,7,8 ect.. data sheet for the IC will also help you.

A good practice find a simple circuit 1 IC (if you can find one with pics of the components on a board it makes it a little more easy)look at the schematic and from the IC layout your components flat one by one next to the IC's pins it gets messy but it helps. then breadboard it and test it.

A better choice getting a electronics learning lab. I got one from radioshack years ago it has a breadboard in the middle a few pots, buttons,leds ect.. also 2 books by Forest Mims. It's a nice set and I still use mine vary handy

[Dragon2Love]

I did ask for a lab for Christmas and I chose one that was even put on youtube. It is expensive I know but I am willing to put forth the effort to learn as that is what most of the reviews on Amazon have said. It is not for instant satisfaction. I found quite the price range. It goes from $209 to $300.

Nuts isn't it? I originally wanted an I pod but I think this would suit my needs better. I am in college and going for a certificate in electronics. like I said in my intro is that my interest switched from robotics to Audio electronics. What I really want to do is work on a stage fixing audio equipment.

BTW thanks for the explanation it helps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcGhuQTA2bE

[electri-fire]

[alienmeatsack]

I know the thread has been quiet since last Nov but I thought I'd add my input on this.

I am relatively new to circuit bending and making circuits. I was asked recently if I was going to sell what I made and I had to think about it.

I am doing it for the fun, to learn, and to make toys I can play with and hopefully use to get some samples from and for music at some point. For myself or my brother or friends who do music, mostly.

If I were to sell something, it would most likely be purely to make money to help feed the beast. Someone commented after the OP about this forum being about making not selling, but I think the question is quite relevant here. I got the tone to be more of a "would you give up your beloved bends" kind of thing.

I don't think I'd mass produce any bent items for profit... I'd rather keep em or give to friends or trade/swap/share with people I know online. THat's actually how I got into this in the first place. I had some old gadgets and swapped em for some others (unbent). Then swapped a roland drum machine for a bent Speak and Spell and was hooked.

I hear the sounds these things make and I soooo want to do something musically with it. I feel it calling me and begging me!