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xjscott
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Wow that is pretty awesome. Summon the tap dancers. |
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miketheman
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For me, being an guitarist who´s using rack effects extremely much to acheive "hopefully-not-heard-before" sounds. I´m very aware of routers/patchbays.
Best of these are Soundsculptures Switchblade series which allows you to connect whatever you use in BOTH serial and parallell ways, mixing are allowed in other words. For myself at the moment, I am using 360 systems AM-16, which is quite similar but with a very important difference: only one input can be routed to a output. So there´s no mixing in this unit.
Even that I´m now converted into using Fractal Audio Axe Ultra, I still have some problems to solve:
I´m building a rig-setup towards guitar/synths, where the Ultra and other rack effects are mainly for guitar. A Nord Modular G2 Engine are the main synth/drummachine. I´m also about to integrate my Axon AX100mkII to really get the rig into the "modern digital guitar/synth age".
I´m also planning to break-out the separate string signals to be able to process each of them independently. Much like the RMC FanOut box, and other DIY solutions. But there doesn´t exist any kind of digital mixer that I´m aware of that allows you to route and mix the string signals AND having THAT under MIDI program change or controller change control.
In the end of the signal chain I´d also like to mix the guitar and synth sound together into the same FRFR speakers. But I´d like to keep it small, hence I´m looking into different audio interfaces which can be used in stand-alone mode (mounted in the back of the rackcase). But none of these brands/models that I´ve found so far allows you to controll it by MIDI program changes/controller changes.
The soundsculpture switchblade series are way to expensive to just be used for a string signal router/mixer.
So... anyone up for developing an audio interface that can be used as a MIDI programmable/controllable digital mixer/router...?
/Mike |
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Stream Operator
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Mike, I did a software prototype of a way cool effect. If you're interested I'll tell you about it. It involves feedback of the signal. It uses two pedals and it could be that "new" sound you are looking to find...
Les
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wmonk
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Post some sound samples Les!
Perhaps you can do a pedal layout, and program the effect on an PIC or AVR?
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| wmonk wrote: | Post some sound samples Les!
Perhaps you can do a pedal layout, and program the effect on an PIC or AVR? |
OK wmonk, here is the last "Inventor's Inventions Show" which featured the software that does the effect. I don't recall how far into the show the effect appears, but it is like a UFO sound or a squealing distortion of the input audio.
The circuit is a feedback loop consisting of a delay line and an attenuator. It's modeled after Karplus Strong but without the filter and with a much longer delay (0.1 seconds to 1.0 seconds or thereabouts). You need a pedal that takes two inputs, a delay pedal, and an attenuation pedal to create it. The result is a heavy distortion of the input signal with an echo-ish feedback-ish sort of wailing sound. You dynamically adjust the delay and the attenuation to create different sounds. If that is not clear, just ask and I'll make it more clear.
Les
p.s. it's the 1/19 show. http://www.electro-music.com/forum/topic-38163.html
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miketheman
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| Inventor wrote: | Mike, I did a software prototype of a way cool effect. If you're interested I'll tell you about it. It involves feedback of the signal. It uses two pedals and it could be that "new" sound you are looking to find...
Les |
No... it´s not that sound... 
Just kidding. Seems to be cool. Can´t listen to it now unfortunately, but I guess that it´s even patchable on Nord Modular G2 Demo? Ehrm... *hint-hint* 
However, to describe what I´m actually out after with the router/mixer unit that I´m searching for is:
The possibility to mix any, several or all strings into one (or more) outputs. This gives you the possibility to have totally different effects splitted across the strings (without any bleed). For example you could have a kind of bassy roaring leslie/distortion sound on the two upper strings (E and A), while having a sound thats half-clean/dirty with wah-wah on the remaining strings (D,G,B,E). This way you´re able to play a pseudo-bass figure while doing some rhythmic noise at the same time...
You could also do a "delay-pitchshifter-and-reverb" thing on just one string while playing chords.
Or having different rhythmic divisions on your tempo delays on different strings...
As I said, it´s possible to achieve this with the soundsculpture switchblade series. But that´s a bit too expensive to just get the router/mixer unit for your separate strings...
/Mike |
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BobTheDog
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| miketheman wrote: | | But there doesn´t exist any kind of digital mixer that I´m aware of that allows you to route and mix the string signals AND having THAT under MIDI program change or controller change control. |
How about a laptop? |
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miketheman
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Haven´t tried that but I have problems in trusting WIN/MAC computers in this matter... they were meant for other things. That´s actually the big issue for me regarding whether I´d going for a Kyma/Paca system or not.
Something close I think that might do it as a router/mixer is the REALLY old Akai MB76...
Hmmm... how about a schematic on that little puppy and build a "clone"...?
/Mike |
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