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j.dilisio
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 Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject:
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In working condition of course,.
Cosmetics are not as important as functionality.
Let me know if you're getting rid of one.
Thanks.
Jay
Edit: I should also add that I reside in Baltimore so something on the east coast that I could pick up would be ideal!
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Keysandslots
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I don't mean this to sound obnoxious or anything like that but why do you want a CS-50? Have you played one of these?
I spent a fair bit of time with one back in the old days and I thought it sounded a bit thin. I would not have bought one back then. Running it through a chorus helped 'though.
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softfin
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| Keysandslots wrote: |
I spent a fair bit of time with one back in the old days and I thought it sounded a bit thin. I would not have bought one back then. Running it through a chorus helped 'though.
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What  I think the CS-series were the best synths Yamaha has ever manufactured. I seriously like my CS-15 and it's definitely not thin sounding even when compared to some of my other analog synths that cost nearly ten times its value.
Of course, it can be tweaked to sound thin on purpose, but it's also possible to do very powerful and fat basslines with it. 
This is just my view about it, of course. |
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j.dilisio
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Well obviously a cs-80 would be nice but I have neither the money or the space for one. From the cs-50 demos I've heard on the internet they sound pretty amazing to me.
Way better than any poly string synths at least.
But no, I've never played one.
From what I understand the cs-15 would definitely sound fatter due to having two oscillators for the one monophonic voice.
Although it has four oscillators, the cs-50 just has one oscillator per voice. Some would call this a thin sound but I think that's what I'm into.
The cs-80 or even the proper minimoog fat sound seems like overkill to me sometimes.
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I used to own an AN1-x, and I was a member of the usergroup on Yahoo for a while. We all agreed that the AN1-x sounded very CS-80 like. AN's weight far less, have memories, although not a better keyboard, they certainly are a lot cheaper! 
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Keysandslots
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:41 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | | What. I think the CS-series were the best synths Yamaha has ever manufactured. I seriously like my CS-15 and it's definitely not thin sounding even when compared to some of my other analog synths that cost nearly ten times its value. |
Just a bit of advice from someone who has actually played one, nothing else. The OP did not ask for advice so perhaps I should have minded my own business. I don't recall commenting on the CS-15 'though. The OP also did not ask about the CS-15 or any other Yamaha synth, so I'm not sure why a comment about the CS-15 is relevant. It's nice that you think the CS-series were great, but have you actually played all of them? There are large differences in the design of the CS-50, CS-60 and CS-80 and I didn't think the 50 sounded anything like the 80.
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| Keysandslots wrote: |
Just a bit of advice from someone who has actually played one, nothing else. The OP did not ask for advice so perhaps I should have minded my own business. I don't recall commenting on the CS-15 'though. The OP also did not ask about the CS-15 or any other Yamaha synth, so I'm not sure why a comment about the CS-15 is relevant. It's nice that you think the CS-series were great, but have you actually played all of them? There are large differences in the design of the CS-50, CS-60 and CS-80 and I didn't think the 50 sounded anything like the 80.
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Hey, I meant no offence. Just my subjective opinion, see 
Surely most CS-synths are related, most of them (if not all) used the same VCO and VCF chips that play a big part in the sound character this series synths have. Most of them even have the same envelope generators and basic architechture (except the CS-80 perhaps, cos it's way more complicated than the others in this series).
This is why I thought it would be relevant to mention how I like my CS-15 so much! |
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Well I appreciate the discussion either way.
I read somwhere that the cs-50, cs-60 and cs-80 all have the same voice circuits but I've also heard that the cs-50 is more stable.
Maybe this change in circuitry accounts for the different sound?
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| j.dilisio wrote: | Well I appreciate the discussion either way.
I read somwhere that the cs-50, cs-60 and cs-80 all have the same voice circuits but I've also heard that the cs-50 is more stable.
Maybe this change in circuitry accounts for the different sound? |
I don't know about the stability differences per se, but I assume there might be differences between units these days, due to capacitors getting old, how they have been maintained etc.
Btw, I checked out the service manuals/ schematics for CS-15, CS-50 and CS-80. It seems they indeed all use the same VCO, VCF and VCA chips! So there is likely much in common in sound between these units. Man, the CS-80 is complicated, it took a while to even spot the chips on the schematics!
I just blasted away some riffs on my CS-15 and it does have a nice "mellow" or slightly rounded quality to its sound even when using just a single, oscillator/VCF/VCA. Pure goodness, I'd say Totally the opposite when comparing to a MS-20 or similar more aggressive synth. |
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Sorry Softfin, I'm getting crankier in my old age. I think my issue with the CS-50 was the single oscillator per voice, which is why we left the external chorus on all the time. The external chorus added that classic doubling sound.
I eventually ended up buying an Oberheim OB-X. I could only afford 6-voices at the time, boy that stuff was expensive (6000.00)!
Dilisio, if you can try one before you buy, that would be the ideal situation. Perhaps a software emulation of a CS-80 would be a fun way to fool with the sound while you're searching.
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I used to have a CS-50 - around 1983 or so. Not the fattest sounding synth out there but was enjoyable to play. I eventaully modified the main oscillators...mine were drifting quite a bit so I made a new card. Worked really well after that. Probably should have just trouble-shot the original problem...but I was in to making a lot of stuff back then.
I ended up selling it - it was just to darn heavy to be lugging around.
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Wow - back when I sold mine I think I got $200 for it.... 
Oh well...
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Wow,. they seem to go for a lot more money across the pond.
I guess they're more rare over there?
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I think this is the 3rd time he's relisted it.
I've seen a couple go for around £500.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:37 am Post subject:
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Ok, that sounds more realistic.
It looks like the last one that sold on ebay US went for $1100.
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