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microjackson
Joined: Aug 24, 2005 Posts: 9 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject:
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ok, i'm pretty new to this stuff (i've built a paia fatman though).
i went out and bought all the parts, but i think i bought the wrong board. i bought the kind where each hole on the copper side is seperate (no hole connects to any other hole). is this the wrong board? can i still use this one, or would it be easier just to go buy a different one?
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Uncle Krunkus
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Joined: Jul 11, 2005 Posts: 4761 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject:
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A PCB is the easiest. Even better if you plan to do more than 1.
- But the process of getting the chemicals and printing it is a bit daunting for some.
- Stripboard is a little more susceptable to mistakes. But if you're only doing 1 of something it's quick and easy. Just put aside a bit of time to double check the layout before you start. (If you're using the stripboard layout on MFOS it's right, I designed that one) And check every cut you make on the tracks, if they're right everything else really only has one right way of going together.
- The experimenters board you got is a bit more susceptable to mistakes. If you've got an eye for detail you could do the WSB on it. Just use the bent over leads to bridge along the tracks for as far as you need. Complete each set of connected holes one at a time, rather than each component. This should pick up mistakes along the way.
Or just go back to the shop and get some stripboard! _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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cswd
Joined: Dec 17, 2005 Posts: 10 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:35 pm Post subject:
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I've just built one with wirewrap/stripboard hybrid this afternoon (using roadrunner from farnell and turning stripboard into tripad board). I'm just putting the finishing touches to it. It's a bit "plain" but it should work.
I'll post photos of the outside, inside and hopefully some sounds if I can coax my laptop into working with my M-Audio transit (do not buy one of these - they are a pain in the arse). _________________ Huzzah! |
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microjackson
Joined: Aug 24, 2005 Posts: 9 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject:
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ok, picked up a couple stripboards today
one thing that is kind of confusing me is precisely where and how to connect the pots, any help? thanks for the advice so far!
happy new year,
dennis |
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Uncle Krunkus
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject:
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Some of the pots only need 2 wires ie: the wiper is shorted to one end. In this case I've only put two posts on the board. Two 100K are set up as voltage dividers ie: they use three wires back to the board. Just make sure the centre one goes to the right post! (I just checked; centre post to centre tag)
In both cases swapping the other connections will just reverse the turn of the pot. You can make sure they are ok as you go, (refer to schem) or just hook them up and reverse the ones which are back to front later. _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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microscope
Joined: Jan 09, 2006 Posts: 10 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:12 am Post subject:
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So I just finished my WSG and tested it and everything seems to work great. I'll post some pictures once I pop it in a really cool box. Something that I still don't get, though, is that the stripboard layout has 9 knobs and 2 switches but all the pictures I've seen posted of finished WSGs have 5 or 6 knobs. How did I pick up the extra knobs? Just curious.
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Uncle Krunkus
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject:
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The standard WSG has only one channel. Ray pointed out that the 40106 has three spare triggers in it, so my stripboard layout includes the second channel, (4 extra pots + 1 extra switch) _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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microscope
Joined: Jan 09, 2006 Posts: 10 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject:
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So I'm using a 74C14 (not a 40106). Should that make any difference? |
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dnny
Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:01 am Post subject:
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microscope wrote: | So I'm using a 74C14 (not a 40106). Should that make any difference? |
it makes no difference.
links to datasheets
40106
74C14
HTH
daniel _________________ Association of experimental electronics
www.koelse.org
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soap
Joined: May 25, 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Quincy, MA
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:04 am Post subject:
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Hello!
My supplier has the 40106B, is that the same thing too? |
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dnny
Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject:
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soap
i used 40106B and it's all good.
just be sure you get the "dual in line"-package (DIP) ones. _________________ Association of experimental electronics
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soap
Joined: May 25, 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Quincy, MA
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject:
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This one, right?
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dnny
Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject:
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yeah -i had the 40106BE but, yours will do just fine. _________________ Association of experimental electronics
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soap
Joined: May 25, 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Quincy, MA
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject:
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What is the difference exactly? |
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dnny
Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject:
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soap wrote: | What is the difference exactly? |
the first letters are the manufactures Prefixes then comes the part number and Suffixes, usually B stands for Buffered Output. then comes the package code
HEF40106BP: 14-lead DIL; plastic
HEF40106BD: 14-lead DIL; ceramic (cerdip)
HEF40106BT: 14-lead SO; plastic
so for WSG - any part that is a xx40106xx (Hex Schmitt Trigger) in DIL-package will do.
some one please correct me if I'm wrong _________________ Association of experimental electronics
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EraSer
Joined: Apr 12, 2006 Posts: 82 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:52 am Post subject:
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Hello soap
soap wrote: | Hello!
My supplier has the 40106B, is that the same thing too? |
Yes.it's ok.
I have used the HEF40106BP and WSG works well |
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dnny
Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:30 am Post subject:
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soap wrote: | My supplier has the 40106B, is that the same thing too? |
Nicolas Collins wrote: | The Hex Schmitt Trigger may be labeled whit the numbers 4584, 40106 or 74C14. There may be prefixes, suffixes, or additional number strings that you can ignore, but chips whit a different "innerfix" may not work: if labeled 74HC14 or 74AC14 they will not run on a 9-volt battery, and so are less suitable for this project. If you purchase them sight-unseen (i.e., online), make sure all your Integrated Circuits have a "dual in-line" (DIP) specification, not "surface mount devices" (SMD), as the later are infernally small and difficult for prototyping. |
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doomrock
Joined: Jun 11, 2006 Posts: 1 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:12 am Post subject:
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Hi, I'm new to this and have nearly completed soldering up the stripboard layout. (Thanks for that by the way). My problem now is that I'm not sure how to wire up the various pots, switches and power supply, or any idea what each one does. Could anybody knock up a quick diagram?
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ladislaobiro
Joined: Mar 24, 2005 Posts: 105 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:09 am Post subject:
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doomrock wrote: | or any idea what each one does. Could anybody knock up a quick diagram? |
Hi Jamie,
welcome to electro-music.com forum
I might have a diagram buried somewhere into my pc that will answer this part of your question...
I will try to find it out, and post it here...
bye,
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ladislaobiro
Joined: Mar 24, 2005 Posts: 105 Location: Italy
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steve3186
Joined: Jun 23, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: Portsmouth, England
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject:
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Hello all.
I am another newbie that wants to get into making these DIY synth projects - they look ace and good fun. Plus my friend has just started to build a SidSynth and i want to get in on this action.
I have never done this before so i think this will be a good one to start with. I have no idea on how to make the PCB (apart from when i was at school and drew a grid with a permanent marker onto a copper plate, dipped it in acid and hey presto - but surely there must be a more 'pro' way to do it??), so im going to use the stripboard layout.
As im new to this, i was wondering if anyone has a strip board layout that includes the led (plus the resistor to protect it) and a volume knob?
Also - is a pot and rotating knob... lol?? What a true newbie i am!
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steve3186
Joined: Jun 23, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: Portsmouth, England
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject:
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Or has anyone got a PCB for sell to make this synth??
Lorenzo's design as found on MFOS webby??
Cheers all
Steve |
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mosc
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Joined: Jan 31, 2003 Posts: 18197 Location: Durham, NC
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject:
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steve3186
Great to have you here. _________________ --Howard
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steve3186
Joined: Jun 23, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: Portsmouth, England
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject:
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I was just comparing the parts list for the layout on MFOS. Lorenzo PCBoard uses the same components that are listed with the addition of an LED, Resistor for the LED and Volume rotary right?
The list of parts for the strip board layout are different i was wondering why this is? Any info anyone??
Thankyou
Kind Regards
Steve _________________ www.myspace.com/stevewestonmusic
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dnny
Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject:
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steve3186 wrote: | The list of parts for the strip board layout are different i was wondering why this is? Any info anyone??
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Hi Steve and welcome.
the sripboard uses all the capacity of the 40106
so there is 2x zany 2x wacky 2x weird
and the PCB uses the half of the capacity (as shown in MFOS schematic)
1x zany 1x wacky 1x weird
both designs come whit the filter (oddness)
there is no volume knob or led on stirpboard, but if you want i can draw them for you
daniel _________________ Association of experimental electronics
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