hardware obsolete?

[mosc]

[zynthetix]

[paul e.]

[Kassen]

Thanks for the support, reading that post back I suppose that was a bit of a gloomy mood...

Somehow for me as soon as "recording" enters the picture I start to considder a audience, I do play/sequence a fair amount of non-4/4 stuff. I particularly like the waltz which I don´t experience as "abstract" at all. I think the waltz can be extremely down to earth in a seductive way as oposed to the 4/4 which is often down to earth too but quickly becomes more militant.

In recent years I´ve also grown fond of 5/8, probably due to listening a fair amount of Dave Brubeck. There´s a naive, older atempt at doing 5/8 on my site here.

Beware; it´s not that good and lacks some more variation.

On the odd (no punn intended :¬) ) moments that I dance I enjoy odd time signatures for how they make me alternate between sides of my body. Strangely they apear MORE symetrical to me in that sense, not less.

Anyway, perhaps I should simply record everything, just for my own enjoyment.

I´m well aware of the more advanced synths out there. My laptop has C-sound, Pure Data and Super Collider installed and configured but those aren´t as direct as I´d like. Somewhere else I gave the example of sliding note 1 into note 4 while 2 and 3 play stackato; that´s not something tremendoesly esotheric of my own invention, that´s a perfectly valid musical movement. Given a few moments of practice I could do this on the bass guitar I´m curently borowing (albeit clumsily). I´d rather avoid having to do everything in Csound just because somewhere down the track such a movement might be needed. Csound is lovely, it´s a well planed out powerhouse that should have every other synth hiding under the bed in fear of what it can do but it´s not something to jam with late at night for your own innocent, thoughtless enjoyment.

On a more positive note; even in techno you can throw everything but the kicks on the triplets...

[paul e.]

my feeling is, not enough attention is being paid to the more simple practical aspects of music-making

a really good passionate musician can make you cry by playing pots and pans and a cigarette pack..

so rather than always gets worried about the methods and philosophies, reconnect with that primitive magic that makes music special and not a science of technological interface

in a way,, this is very scientific as it is results-based..ie. 'does your music sound good...does it move people'

[mosc]

Kassen, I like your 5/8 piece. It's inspiring. I think I'll try a 5/8 piece myself.

You don't have to record just for yourself, record for those kindred spirits out here in cyberspace. That's why I started this website. Our best audience is probably ourselves. This has often been the case with new artistic developments.

[Kassen]

Good point, Paul.

Perhaps I should stress that these concerns are what I´m looking for in decent pots and apropriate sigarette packs, of cource not how I play those.

I like my large cast-iron wok and handrolled sigaretes especially.

;¬)

The road to simplicity need not be simple itself.

[play]

Just got a cast-iron wok. very inspiring ::)
pots and pans are great if you add a little bit of water to them too.

I may have said this before but someone once told me that music calls up powerful forces. I think this is true regardless of the size of the audience, whether it's 2000 people in an auditorium or a tree that happens to hear another tree falling in the forest. The musician asks himself/herself, consciously or not, what forces he/she wishes to summon and then tries his/her best to call the right ones. Everything you do affects the world. Most things don't have immediate, visible consequences. If you create something and it moves you then you can be sure that you aren't the only one moved.

[Kassen]

To get back on the theories and the "bedroom lectures" bit; I´m probably guilty. I actually considdered putting a whiteboard in my bedroom studio to graph out the latest instances of mad-scientism.

BUT.

Much to my delight I´ll be playing bass guitar for this remix a friend of mine is working on. There are only three different notes for that bassline and as a added bonus; I can´t play bass at all.

There´ll be a lecture on "recontextualising the nerd-punk over the internet; spring reverbs and ableton live" around dawn. Attendance is mandatory, you shall be expected to wear a leather jacket with a scientiffic calculator in the inside pocket.

:¬p

Mosc, you should try looking up some of Brubeck´s pieces in 5/8, there´s this great one called "castillian drums" or something along those lines. I strongly suspect Amon tobin sampled that one for his 5/8 piece, the name of which escapes me at the moment. "take five" is kinda corny though, i think. Not nearly as good as "Audry" which might well be my favourte bit of music of all time.

[paul e.]

mosc, can we say the public and private music [so to speak] are equally important... equally 'life affirming' ?

[Paul - I accidentally deleted some of your post using admin privs. I'm very sorry. See my reply below --mosc]

[paul e.]

i just realised the title of this thread is
' is hardware obsolete ? '

[Kassen]

Yeah, Paul, but there are already a million topic on the web on that subject and they are all kind of the same. It´s nice to try something a little different.

Let´s do "analogue v.s. digital" next and look at it from a perspective of how people related to animals!

[elektro80]

[elektro80]

Man, I gotta stop listening to those Hawkwind vinyls...

[Kassen]

I´m terribly sorry ifI offended you. Be asured that some of my best friends keep the animals in the orgone chamber. Would vegetables be more suitable or would those too conflict with your religious believes?

[elektro80]

shrooms=my beliefs
great match

[mosc]

[neven dayvid]

i don´t think we´re there yet.
even if some people might not object to using cracked softsynths and audio programs, consider this:
if you went on the softsynth route for the last 10 years, this would have meant buying a new computer every two or three years. all this is investment that goes straight into the gutter.
if you bought hardware synthesizers in the meantime, their value will have almost risen. the trick is not to buy brand new but wait around till things cool off. this applies to cars, it applies to computers and most of all to electronic studio gear.
good hardware will always be a sound investment. i think i might become interested in software synthesis in 5-10 years time maybe.
if you consider stuff like the korg legacy software that only makes sense on the newest of computers...
plus, very often soft synths are just conceptual rip-offs of products that have been developed in the "real" world - therefore to realistically assess things, you have to imagine a situation where there IS NO, say "Kawai K5000", and thus no tons of semi-samploid softsynths that can make quick and easy use of kawai´s long term involvement in additive synthesis.

this isn´t meant to be a rant, but at least we should support softsynth manufacturers that come up with imaginative and original ideas instead of bundling together a "best of" of hardware instruments and tack a minimoog clone filter on it...

[mosc]

Neven Dayvid... Couldn't resist - sorry...

[elektro80]

This one??




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[wesculbertson]

I am VERY new to music production in general. But, IMHO, I prefer hard synths over soft synths anyday (especially for live performances). Yes, Midi controllers are becoming highly programmable. But, what happens if you are on stage with a new Soft synth and forgot to map a function you really would like to use? Well, there's not a lot you can do about it during that song at least unless you have time during loops to map the knob or button.

With hard synths, that's never a problem as you have all the knobs and buttons available to you at all times. That's just my personal opinion, though.

Wes

[seraph]

these is only one solution: rehearse, rehearse and more rehearse

[wesculbertson]

[mosc]

[v-un-v]