mpc or machinedrum???

KoshiMazaki · Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: end of the world

Hi guys!

I am considering buying a hardware machine for beats, a good companion for my Virus. I would like to sample virus with it and create some crazy rhythms. I would be really grateful if you could suggest me which way to go.
I have never put my hands on hadware beatbox or sampler. My music is inspired by mause on mars, super collider, andrew pekler Wink

I'm making my beats in reaktor and am wondering if harware beatbox would sound better, or it is just fun of use?Do you think mpc might add wormth to the sound of reaktor? how about machinedrum. Is it worth to spend so much money on it, considering it's performance?
Any other suggetions apreciated.

thanks in advance.

oh and if it doesn't suits this forum please move it..

cheers

KM

DrJustice · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject:

Hi KM!

Whether a hardware beatbox/sampler will be better/warmer/more fun and so on is really a matter of personal opinion and working style.

If you want to sample sounds from Reaktor, a Machinedrum is not the right choice; it is basically a percussion synth with a sequencer, although you can get limited sampling memory as an option. For this job an Akai MPC would be better, or you could check out the Roland MV-8000. Personally I like the MV-8000.

And don't worry, this is the right forum for general gear talk thumleft

DJ
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KoshiMazaki · Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: end of the world

Thanks DJ!

I rather want to sample virus than reaktor. i heard that machinedrum have realy nice sounds and 'creazy rhytms' posibilities. the thing is is it worth to spend so much money for it. And will I get the sound that can't be achieved with reaktor or virus Smile

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MV- 8000 looks nice but its expensive as well. I was thinking about mpc 1000.

greets

DrJustice · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject:

Antimon · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:09 am Post subject:

I haven't tried out that many different pieces of equipment, so it's hard for me to offer comparisons, but I have an Electribe SX, which I kind of like. It samples external sound sources, and plays patterns, groove-box style (I think). It's cheaper than an MPC1000. One downside is loading of samples from smartmedia cards, which is a bit awkward and slow. From what I've heard it's easier to work with than other similar gear though.

May be worth checking out.

/Stefan

KoshiMazaki · Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: end of the world

Thanks guys for replys.
I was thinking about electribe the tube version. I have to check it out in the shop.

When it comes t ompc it will be probably harder to operate this than ableton live and reaktor which I use. I still don't havee a clue Wink

just am in need of buying some hardware that will add some drums to my virus. Laughing

What do you think about jamox mbase or roland grooveboxes? Let's say I want to spend about 600 GBP.

The thing is when I compare Virus sound to any soft synth, the difference is huge! The same IMO must be with drum machines samplers etc.

cheers!

KM

mother misty · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:05 am Post subject:

Keep in mind that the MD has the Elektron sound all over it, which isn't exactly "warm", you've got to like that sound.

So it won't add much "warmth" if you're looking for that,
but it will add alot of other stuff Smile

GovernorSilver · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:14 am Post subject:

Last I heard, the Machinedrum can do odd time signatures and none of the sampling drum machines can. Is this still correct?

I have an Emu Command Station that CAN do any time signature, but its no longer in production and it doesn't sample.

mother misty · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:24 am Post subject:

Depends on what those "odd time signatures" are,
what kind of time signatures do you mean?

jksuperstar · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:09 am Post subject:

Samplers like the MPC won't add much warmth to your sound. What you put in, is what you get out. The filters that are there aren't really any more special than what can be found elsewhere. And for what it's worth, Live can do alot more than the MPC will ever dream of. I'd suggest that unless you are after a hardwarre interface to push buttons & whatnot, stick with Live for a bit. It has all the filters, sampling, and sequencing to support what you want to do.

KoshiMazaki · Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: end of the world

Thanks again Very Happy

It's realy friendly forum.
I know live is realy good I'm using it since version 3. Love it and never gona change to cubase or etc. Just wanted these knobs and buttons Wink

I just find out that in the price of MD i could buy G2 engine and evolver
Which surely will add wormth and craziness, not many buttons though Wink

Just curious... how many percent of USB does G2 take. ex my virus takes 68% and x station about 26%.

greets

KM

GovernorSilver · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:18 am Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:22 am Post subject:

aquanaut · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject:

I get into sequencing much more with the mpc than with logic. With the mpc i need to visualize mentally the sequence and what i want to do with it. Thats what i wanted when i bought the thing, i find it uninspiring to have a sequence laid out on a screen.

If your used to grab a bunch of notes and moved them around with the mouse you will probably hate that machine. That task is supposedly more easy to do with the new OS but the "move" features they added is buggy and can kill all your work. So right now if i want to move events i need to copy them all...reselect the events...delete..and paste them where i want them to be. It can be a pain when you pasted them at the wrong place.

On the plus side those pads where a discovery; when sequencing live you're always recording different gate time and subtle change in velocity and that adds a lot to the dynamics of a sequence.

KoshiMazaki · Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: end of the world

Thats a good point you make aquanaut. I wanted to try differend way than clicking the mouse. It seems that machinedrum's style appers to me more than mpcs. I think I gonna save some money and buy one. Like the sound and it seems much easier to use than mpc. I wish I had enough time and money to try both Wink

thanks guys

KM

v-un-v · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:23 am Post subject:

KoshiMazaki · Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: end of the world

cheers v-un-v I have to check Broadcast.
I'm not sure if I would be able to use both virus and G2 in the same time as both are connected via usb and virus uses over 60% of it as I mantioned. Do you know how it is with g2?? How it is with midi connection? As I control virus desktop with x-station. What would be better for me to start. G2 engine or micro or G2 keyboard?
Is there a vocoder in G1?

greets guys

KM

v-un-v · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:14 am Post subject:

Blue Hell · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:53 am Post subject:

KoshiMazaki · Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 12 Location: end of the world

I don't know how to masure it. Anyway when I turn on the virus and x station simultaneously the alert comes out which shows how many % of bandwith one takes..

Another thing I woiuld like to ask Smile

Will g2 or g1 be working simultaneously with ableton live open? Normaly if I open live and sound forge I can't hear sound forge. Tell me if I'm wrong but It should be all right as G2 editor is operated by the hardware.
Do you think it may be some midi delay (keyboard latancy) if I would connect x station to virus and then to nord?

greets

KM

mother misty · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:57 am Post subject:

mother misty · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:59 am Post subject: