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a question about "one window chucK"
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: a question about "one window chucK" Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm going through the manual and learning chucK.

The two-window chuck with all the sporking is great (although i don't think my mom would like me using words like "spork" in public Laughing ). When i hit page 16, and am trying to shred in one window chuck, i'm supposed to type >chuck --loop & which should start chuck running and get my command line back, i don't get a command line back in windows xp. it just sits there without giving me my command line back like the second window in two-window chucK. Is this a bug? Or does something else work besides the & in windows xp terminal? any ideas? not that it matters, since i find two window chucK to be more logical and easier to keep track of. Any ideas appreciated. -- brian

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You may be right; I didn't ever get my comand line back either. This might be a WinXP syntax issue? This should probably in the manual, perhaps there is some XP wizzard here that knows the corect syntax?

Personally I wouldn't recomend using just one window for ChucKing unless you are just going to run one finished program. I tend to use two windows; I have links in my start menu to two copies of the prompt each with a different colour setting to avoid confusion. They get opened covering the whole schreen width but are only a few lines high; The third window covering the rest of the schreen is my text editor and I alt-tab between them. For me that works very well.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

No, it's normal. The '&' indicates to the Unix shell that the command is to be executed in the background. OSX is based upon Unix but XP is not; unless you use 3rd-party software such as Cygwin this behavious cannot be replicated w/in an XP prompt window.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: a question about "one window chucK" Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

majutsu wrote:
I'm going through the manual and learning chucK.

The two-window chuck with all the sporking is great (although i don't think my mom would like me using words like "spork" in public Laughing ).


Well, you can tell your mum you are only sporking because it gets you child-processes!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Mies wrote:
No, it's normal. The '&' indicates to the Unix shell that the command is to be executed in the background. OSX is based upon Unix but XP is not; unless you use 3rd-party software such as Cygwin this behavious cannot be replicated w/in an XP prompt window.


Cool, thanks for clearing that up. I think the manual could use a not on that to avoid further confusion and disapointment. i already send a mail about this.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

very cool mies. thanks for clearing that up!

thanks too kassen as always.

two questions kassen. how do you make shortcuts to command line? i don't know this? it's probably a noob question, but let me know.

also kassen, what is your text editor. I'm using notepad for now, which works, but i'm sure it sucks. what are you using?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Under Windows the comand line is a program like any other so shortcuts to it can be stored in the start menu using the "edit start menu" thingy. I can look up the exact buttons to push in what order if need be (my XP laptop isn't on at the moment)

For editing I use a old version of textpad;
http://textpad.com/

Any editor for plain text files should do but line numbers are almost essential to have at the very least. For simple quick editing I sometimes simply type "edit" at the prompt and use the build in dos one but for more complex stuff that one is often a bit out of it's league.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
Any editor for plain text files should do but line numbers are almost essential to have at the very least.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

great article on command line shortcuts for beginners, step by step

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/ballew_commandline.mspx

it's very easy to make a shortcut in xp. start-programs-accessories-command line, right-click - pin to start menu

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look ma, no words.

also, you can change the start path, if you right-click and properties, so you don't always have to change directories to get to chuck. you can also change color, font, and command prompt for the aesthetically minded.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i decided to use the following code editor (PSPad) because it's free unlike textpad, but otherwise has lots of functions. Here's the link for those lacking an adequate code editor, like me.

http://www.snapfiles.com/get/spad.html

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Type "edit" at a command prompt, a not too bad no frills editor thingy will show up. No line numbers, but it will show the cursor pos.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject: a good editor for chuck Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi all. first message here.

Concerning code editors, i'm using jedit and totally love it (it's free, multi-platform and extremely configurable via plugins, macros...). I totally recommend it.

Among some other nice things, you have a console plugin which gives you access to the command-line from within jedit, so you can chuck files without leaving the interface

I've made an edit mode (a syntax coloring scheme) for chuck. You can grab it (with instructions) from

http://www.jesusgollonet.com/blog/?p=135


also i am working (ok, by now just trying to figure out) on some more features for chuck in jedit.

any questions, thoughts... are welcome.

btw, great forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome jesusgollone and thanks for that jedit link. Currently I'm using a very old version of a commercial product (visual slick edit), but found upgrading too expensice. At first sight jedit seems to be a nice upgrade for me, going to check it out.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:25 pm    Post subject: emacs
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I'll just pipe in with my 2 cents and say that the best editor for programming *anything* would be emacs, since it's designed from the ground up to be a programmers text editor (and operating system, but you won't learn that for the first couple years of using it). It's totally free (written initially by Richard Stallman, the initiator of the GNU project), has ports to every OS imaginable (including Windows, as it looks like many of you are using), and you can get chuck-mode.el, which makes for handy syntax-highlighted code editing along with other nifty features.

It's got a bit of a learning curve, but once you get over it, you'll find that if you're seriously going to get into programming, it's worth the time.

Of course, there's always vi as well, but I won't get into that argument...I use emacs.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I use Vim - free, multi-platform, etc.

It's the standard included text editor in Unix/Linux. I wonder, has anyone made a vim syntax file for ChucK?

EDIT: Found this myself... Works great. https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/pipermail/chuck-users/2005-October/000047.html

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I like nano, nano has no things I dislike or don't understand. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Of course, I forgot to mention, that ed is the standard text editor for real programmers ;-D

Torturous to use, but actually good experience to teach you about tools like regular expressions and sed. I wrote a few programs in it just for kicks some time back...

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This will date me, but my when I first started using Unix, ed was the only editor. Rolling Eyes bigsmurf
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Mosc, I still hope you'll write more about the early days.
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