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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:25 am Post subject:
A friend is selling a synth to me Subject description: I need some help getting a fair price
Its a Roland Juno-106. According to vintage synth, they go for about 450.
This one has some problems:
The polyphony will short after the 6th voice is triggered. Mono works fine though. Also, the battery for the patch memory died. There's a new battery included, but it hasn't been wired in. Also, one of the keys is chipped. Comes in an indestructible gig bag.
He said he was looking for something in the 175-200 dollar range, but I feel that's too low. I don't like cheating my friends.
Is it going to be easy to replace the battery? How much would you sell this for?
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:33 am Post subject:
Re: A friend is selling a synth to me Subject description: I need some help getting a fair price
Low Note wrote:
The polyphony will short after the 6th voice is triggered.
That´s right! 6 is all there is. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
If you like the sound of the 106 then you might love the sound of the Korg DW8000.
The editing is a bit messy though... very annoying. However, I think the DW8000 is underrated. You can probably get a DW8000 for 150 - 250 USD.
From my point of view the one really cool feature in the 106 is the LP-filter.
An alternative is the Waldorf Blofeld. It´s cheap, polyphonic, the sound engine is simply insanely cool and it sounds fat.
I´m not saying that the 106 sucks. It kinda is a 106. When you buy a 106 you get a 106. That´s all there is to it. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:50 am Post subject:
Re: A friend is selling a synth to me Subject description: I need some help getting a fair price
elektro80 wrote:
Low Note wrote:
The polyphony will short after the 6th voice is triggered.
That´s right! 6 is all there is.
Unless you actually might be trying to say that the 106 goes silent after 6 keys are triggered. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
An Alesis Ion + a decent multieffect unit + a submixer + routing of a stereobuss to 2 x Blackheart BH5-112 and then miked with Kel HM-1 mics or some Shures .. into an Aphex 207D and back on two lines to the submixer..
That is something which will have your liver and sanity for lunch. Oh yeah..
...shades.. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:17 am Post subject:
Re: A friend is selling a synth to me Subject description: I need some help getting a fair price
Low Note wrote:
How much would you sell this for?
$100 maximum. _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:41 am Post subject:
Re: A friend is selling a synth to me Subject description: I need some help getting a fair price
v-un-v wrote:
Low Note wrote:
How much would you sell this for?
$100 maximum.
OK.. so you would sell this for 100 usd. Cool! But if you check out eBay you will find that some are willing to pay 3-4 times more for a 106.
It is however possible that the main market for a 106 these days would be collectors. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:48 am Post subject:
Who on earth would want to collect a 106?? _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Well, aren´t we a bit too harsh? It is quite possible to make good use of a 106.
Still, that doesn´t make the 106 a good synth.. but ... there are some that are far worse out there. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:06 am Post subject:
I'm sorry, I'm in the university library writing up my thesis- and I should be paying attention to electro-music.com rather than writing this filth.
The 106? I've got nothing against this instrument, it's just hard to understand why it would demand such a high price, when the same dosh would get, yes, an Ion or something _________________ ACHTUNG!
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This is a case of bad math. If you feel like collecting synths, then a 106 should be in any decent collection. In that case you would want a really mint condition specimen.
It is highly questionable if the 106 should be bought in order to be used as an instrument unless you must have it for some 80s tribute band project or as a stage prop or something. The main problem with it is what it cannot do rather than the few things it does with brilliance. It is too bad if you paid 100-400 USD for something that ends up as a doorstop. You can get doorstops for free.
If you need something from that era then any of the more fancy JX models ( with the programmer unit ) would be a slightly better choice. JX-10 anyone? _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
The 106? I've got nothing against this instrument, it's just hard to understand why it would demand such a high price, when the same dosh would get, yes, an Ion or something
I agree. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject:
v-un-v wrote:
The 106? I've got nothing against this instrument, it's just hard to understand why it would demand such a high price, when the same dosh would get, yes, an Ion or something
If you need a 106 sound in your composition, and need it to be 100% accurate (especially on chorused sounds, which most softsynth emulations of Juno are weak on), you may want a Juno 106.
Because you can emulate pretty close, and because there are so few good sounds in a Juno 106, I don't consider it worth $450 these days. A long time ago, I paid slightly less for mine, and this was in a world of no softsynths/VAs or even new analog polysynths like the Prophet 8 or Andromeda. I don't have the 106 anymore.
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:
wow - i totally forgot i posted this and then clicked on it interested in the topic.
Thanks for the advice! I'm partially buying it because I've never gotten to know any equipment from that era. He's selling because he needs money. We're friends. The logic adds up in there somewhere.
I´m not sure if 106 is a good representative for synths of that era.
..but the alternatives will be much more expensive.
A list? OK! A few really nice ones: The Jupiter 6 and 8 , the Prophet 5, the Korg PS series, the PPG Wave series, the Octave Voyetra 8, the Oberheim Matrix 12 and the ELKA Synthex.
As for the 106, go ahead! And give us a report! _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:14 am Post subject:
elektro80 wrote:
I´m not sure if 106 is a good representative for synths of that era.
It's probably a better representative of the mid-90s to late 90s techno era! But the Juno 106 was used occasionally by 80s artists as well. (In contrast, not a whole lot of techno artists used the big guns like Jupiters or Prophets that are all over 80s songs.)
The advantage of it is that it has a knob for every function and they send and receive sysex parameter messages so you can sequence all your tweaks and it works well.
The problem is that almost all 106s have oscillator boards that fail. You can no longer get replacements from Roland either, they ran out a long time ago. It's not uncommon to have two voices fail. There is a service diagnostic mode that lets you see which oscillator board has failed, and directions on the net for how to fix it if you have a replacement board is available - desoldering and soldering is necessary, and sometimes calibration as well, requiring an oscilloscope.
From the original post it sounds like he is saying one of the oscillators is bad, which is expected.
If so, he'll need to buy a replacement from one of a couple different guys out there who have made their own replacement boards. These are fairly expensive, around $100 each if I recall, and have to be shipped in from overseas.
So for a Juno with a busted voice, how much is it worth?
A 106 in perfect condition is probably worth $300 nowadays to someone who really wants a 106. Subtract from that the cost of parts and labor to fix it and there's your value price.
The deal he mentioned in his post sounds somewhat reasonable, but know what you're getting in to. Even if all the oscillators are working now, you can pretty much count on one or two of them failing if you start using it a lot.
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But the Juno 106 was used occasionally by 80s artists as well. (In contrast, not a whole lot of techno artists used the big guns like Jupiters or Prophets that are all over 80s songs.)