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parts questions cd4016 and humungo sized capacitors
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:09 pm    Post subject: parts questions cd4016 and humungo sized capacitors Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey just a quick question , i looked at datasheets but i wasnt 100% sure, is CD40106 a certain type of 40106? or would any 4000 series 40106 do?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

any 40106 will do (CMOS). they're just different brand names.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ah good, thanks it seems like a special one as he kept the cd in on the parts list
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi erm another stupid question, but er i can only find 1uf non-Electrolytic capacitors that are masive in physical size and have " Rated voltage " 500v is this the max voltage? would it not work in a low power/volt circuit? i dont mind having big fat capacitors poking out they arnt to expensive either.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Where does it say they have to be non-electrolytic?

If you must really use the big non-electrolytic 1uf cap, then one rated at 500v will work, but is un-neccessarily large.

You can get non-polarised electrolytic caps, which would be ideal.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ach i always get that mixed up " stupid amature! ", ta ill see if there are any non polarised ones
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Concerning the CD40106... I have a CD40106BE that seems to be causing me trouble. However, it's been tricky finding datasheets that somehow confirm my suspicions that the pinout is different from other (plain?) CD40106's, even though their function is the same.
Has anyone run into this before?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The BE suffix means it's buffered, whether that's a problem for your circuit I don't know. For a pure digital circuit it shouldn't matter, when used in semi analog mode (as an amplifier f.i.) it might matter.

The pinout should be the same though.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What lead me to believe this variant was a problem is a short that refuses to go away. As soon as a connect the 9V battery for the + side of the battery chain the voltage from it drops hard and fast (the battery on the - side doesn't behave like this when connected). I've searched the pcb and connectors twice for shorts and found nada. However, when I tried removing the CD40106BE the battery drain didn't appear and things seemed peachy overall.
But who knows, it could be as simple as my 40106 is busted.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sprak wrote:
it could be as simple as my 40106 is busted.


Yes, could be.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I turned out the problem was a busted 40106. (posting about it in case someone else runs into a similar problem)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: parts questions cd4016 and humungo sized capacitors
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yupyupoh wrote:
hey just a quick question , i looked at datasheets but i wasnt 100% sure, is CD40106 a certain type of 40106? or would any 4000 series 40106 do?


Ok, Mr Tuna's ADHD brain is taking a small vacation......

In the recipie, it says add one table spoon of:
CD40106 (CMOS only, not 74HC)

And now I am reading that it seems like any garden variety 40106 CMOS will do.

Is there a chart, or maybe better, so I dont have to disturb Mr Brain while he is away, someone here that could think for me and tell me what other chips are compatable?

Radio Shack gets wimpier and more useless with every passing day. You walk in and ask for bread board, and they point at the bakery accross the street. Ask for a capacitor, and they ask which cell phone company thats for. (BUTT, the velocoraptors are pretty cool! anyone got one they could build a WSG into, and program it to play itself?)

The other electro parts store in town doesnt keep much in stock, so they wanted to order the op-amp for me...and said it would cost TEN BUCKS! (Yet the CD40106 was only a bunck and a half, and they had to order it)) But it looks like Radio Shack has some for .98 cents.

Ive built some little Ramsey FM transmitter kits before.....so building this kind of thing isnt TOO intimidating to me....even if I dont know what, where, how, when and WHY these things work.

So I think ultimately what I am looking for in this post is a listing
of alternate chips and parts that would work for this project.

I want to tackle a WSG bfore I got trying to build a synth.

And I STILL might ask someone here to build the synth FOR me.....any suggestions on who could or would do this reasonably?

Ive got a couple of gieger counters around here....but I think I'll put the WSG into it. Id rather have something a bit more user-friendly for a synth-lab.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: parts questions cd4016 and humungo sized capacitors
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Nicolas Collins wrote:

This circuit oscillates because of the principle of argumentation. Each Inverter stage, puts out the opposite of whatever signal appears at the input: if binary "1" represented by 9 volts, is applied to the input, then a "0" (0 volts) is sent to the output. That 0 flows through the resistor back to the input and the whole process begins again, causing the circuit to flip back and forth between two stages, generating a square wave. The speed of the flip-flopping (the pich) depends on the values of the resistor and the capacitor. It's like the Monty Python argument, or a dispute in a bar: I disagree whit everything you say, so our output keeps flipping between yes and no according to how fast each of us can reply. The resistor and capacitor act like booze - the more you add the slower the argument goes, ergo the lover pich.


in WSG there is three (or six if you do the extended version) of thease square wave OSC's that modulate each other.

maybe that helps to figure out how it does what it does.

and remember that you can use any Hex Schmitt Trigger for WSG (74C14, 4584, 40106, 4093, [74HC14])

NOTICE: The 74HC14 (and all 74HC gates) have a limited supply voltage capability (2 to 6 volts) whereas the 74C14 and CD40106 can both be powered from 3 to 15 volts.

hope this helps

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