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Should there be a parameter randomizer in the G2 editor
Yes, this is a must
66%
 66%  [ 8 ]
I don't care one way or the other
25%
 25%  [ 3 ]
No, this is a bad idea
8%
 8%  [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 12

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General Elektrick



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:50 am    Post subject: Parameter Randomizer Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

As I am a random freak, I would like to see (as in many other softsynths)
a way to randomize a patchs parameter.
The G2 is a complex instrument and there is no way that random cable connection would even produce a sound so i could imagine to select a finished patch or even some modules of a patch and than have the knobs and settings randomized. I love this function on a waldorf, most of the sounds are harsh and wild but Twisted Evil

[editor's note: added the poll question --mosc]

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There are a lot of software tools which generate random Midi. Take a look at this thread about the Classic:
http://nm-archives.electro-music.com/010_NordModular/014_Interesting_Threads/Folder/RndMorph/RandomMorphing.htm
This tool can also be used for the G2.

(if the links don't work anymore, mail me)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks Wout,
I have to explore that when I have access to my G2, but still I would find this more comfortable as a part of the editor, i know myself and using a software to program a software is sometime not what i would do everyday.

But I will give this try for sure, I have some patches that would love some treatment!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have a better one, but mail me in private about this: blommoo@wanadoo.nl

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'd love to see a randomizer built into the G2 editor, as well, with options such as degree of randomness, seed, whether we'd like to randomize knobs, wire connections, both, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes Yes!! I think the ability to randomize a particular module, or the entire patch (VA/FX seperately!) is inspiring enough for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, the Kyma system does this. It's very cool.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cebec wrote:
I'd love to see a randomizer built into the G2 editor, as well, with options such as degree of randomness, seed, whether we'd like to randomize knobs, wire connections, both, etc.


Indeed, that would be great!
A randomizer where you can define how much % is randomized.
D'cota has this, you can randomize any patch with any amount you like.
It's a very powerfull feature! I would LOVE this!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

maybe i've sended this one before. It's for slot A. Load an other patch in slot B and give it midi CC's(up to 32). Go back to slot A and push the Dice button.(and experiment with the others). Variation 1 will change 32 parameters, variation 2 will change 32 other parameters for slot B. Var 3&4 are for slot C. Var 5&6 are for slot D.
This patch is a tribute to Palle Dahlsteds program "EvolveCC".
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here you have an example for Slot A is controlling B&C. Have fun.


RND Perf.prf2
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Performance with slot A controls B&C RND's

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There is a lot of randomizing to study for me thanks to
Wout, Jan and Roland!
This list is a treasure surprise well done

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

With all due respect sir, general Question

Help !

I wasn't even in this thread before, so what did I do ? Strange attractors again ? They really suck, don't they ...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, Jan, it makes you wonder why it's referred to as Chaos Theory.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Dear Jan,

When I put your name in the list of random patch providers I was referring to your Lorenz and Rossler work.
It must be that my minor math talents may got somethings wrong and it is more Chaos Theory than random?

btw. My "General" is more based on the Idea General Elektric Company making Bulbs than to a military title, I did 20 month of civil service instead of joining army Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

General Elektrick wrote:

It must be that my minor math talents may got somethings wrong and it is more Chaos Theory than random?

You are right there it's about chaos theory (as I understand it, see http://amath.colorado.edu/faculty/jdm/faq.html for some definitions of terms) and although I think this to be very interesting by no means I'm mastering the subject. Thes chaotic systems are more interesting IMO than pure random, when tweaked well the chaos systems come up with almost human variations, where pure random almost never does so. Thes chaotic systems sort of are on the edge between order and chaos.
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btw. My "General" is more based on the :idea: General Elektric Company making Bulbs than to a military title, I did 20 month of civil service instead of joining army :lol:

I always thought your name to be refeing to the company, but sometimes these little jokes creep in ... I'm sorry when you feel offended by it, I didn't want to cause that.

I myself refused to do military service as well but although I was supposed to do some form of civil service I could talk myself out of that thanks to the government messing things up quite a bit. I wouldn't have minded to do some usefull work, but there were not many usefull things to do at that time, just things like sorting out archives. Nowadays there would be plenty of usefull work to do, thanks to the crashing health system, but there is no system of military / civil service in effect anymore. There is quite some chaos in society as well I guess ....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I did not feel offended at all Exclamation
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